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Supreme Court rules Trump has some immunity from prosecution

The court rules former presidents are entitled to absolute immunity for official acts, but have no immunity for unofficial acts

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Justice Sotomayor said a president would now be protected if they order the Navy's Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival, organise a military dissenting coup to hold onto power, or take bribes in exchange for a pardon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cw0y5228v1yt

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Supreme Court rules Trump has some immunity from prosecution

The court rules former presidents are entitled to absolute immunity for official acts, but have no immunity for unofficial acts

[...]

Justice Sotomayor said a president would now be protected if they order the Navy's Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival, organise a military dissenting coup to hold onto power, or take bribes in exchange for a pardon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cw0y5228v1yt

More on that:

“The President Is Now a King”: The Most Blistering Lines from Dissents in the Trump Immunity Case
by David Corn
July 1, 2024

Introduction:

(Mother Jones) In response to the Supreme Court’s momentous decision ruling that presidents are immune from criminal prosecution for “official” acts, Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson issued blistering dissents. They blasted the reasoning of the six conservative justices who essentially created a new power for presidents. Each contended this decision poses a fundamental threat to American democracy and the rule of law.

This is how Sotomayor put it:

• The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the country, and possibly the world. When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military dissenting coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune. Let the President violate the law, let him exploit the trappings of his office for personal gain, let him use his official power for evil ends. Because if he knew that he may one day face liability for breaking the law, he might not be as bold and fearless as we would like him to be. That is the majority’s message today.

Jackson made a similar and distressing point:

• Thus, even a hypothetical President who admits to having ordered the assassinations of his political rivals or critics, or one who indisputably instigates an unsuccessful coup has a fair shot at getting immunity under the majority’s new Presidential accountability model.

Read more here: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2 ... ty-case/

[Cyber_Rebel]

So, what, are we an Elective Monarchy now?

An attempt to create an elective monarchy in the United States failed. Alexander Hamilton argued in a long speech before the Constitutional Convention of 1787 that the President of the United States should be an elective monarch, ruling for "good behavior" (i.e., for life, unless impeached) and with extensive powers. Hamilton believed that elective monarchs had sufficient power domestically to resist foreign corruption, yet there was enough domestic control over their behavior to prevent tyranny at home.[40] His proposal was resoundingly voted down in favor of a four-year term with the possibility of reelection.

Seems like Hamilton's vision might soon come to pass in theory. Really, this trajectory was set in motion way back with Nixon. Personally, I prefer the UK's version, as Charles doesn't really seem to do too much.

[firestar464]

All hail His Majesty the King of America Joseph Robinette Biden, Duke of the District of Columbia, Earl of Puerto Rico, the Samoa, and Guam!


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in all seriousness though wtf just happened

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Trump Moves to Overturn Manhattan Conviction, Citing Immunity Decision
Former President Donald J. Trump took the action hours after a U.S. Supreme Court ruling granted him immunity for official acts committed in office.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/01/nyre ... money.html

July 1, 2024
Updated 8:03 p.m. ET

Donald J. Trump began an effort on Monday to throw out his recent criminal conviction in Manhattan and postpone his upcoming sentencing, citing a new Supreme Court ruling that granted him broad immunity from prosecution for official actions he took as president, according to a person with knowledge of the matter.

In a letter to the judge overseeing the case, Mr. Trump’s lawyers sought permission to file a motion to set aside the verdict, doing so just hours after the Supreme Court issued its landmark ruling involving one of Mr. Trump’s other criminal cases. The letter will not be public until Tuesday at the earliest, after which prosecutors will have a chance to respond.

The move from Mr. Trump’s lawyers came 10 days before the judge was set to sentence the former president for his crimes in Manhattan, where a jury convicted him on 34 felony counts related to his cover-up of a sex scandal in the run-up to the 2016 election. Mr. Trump’s lawyers asked the judge, Juan M. Merchan, to postpone the July 11 sentencing while the judge weighs whether the Supreme Court ruling affects the conviction.

The effort to set aside the conviction might be a long shot. The Manhattan case centers on acts Mr. Trump took as a candidate, not a president.

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WHAT?

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Trump sentencing in hush-money case delayed until September

Source: BBC News

A New York judge has delayed Donald Trump’s sentencing until September as his lawyers seek to challenge his conviction after a Supreme Court ruling.

Trump was initially scheduled to be sentenced on 11 July.

His legal team asked for his conviction to be overturned after the nation’s highest court ruled that former presidents had partial immunity for “official” acts during their presidency.

Justice Juan Merchan said on Tuesday that he would issue a decision on the motions by 6 September.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0xj1q47l22o

I suspect everyone of these fucking cases will be killed because of the supreme court.

[Vakanai]

The conservatives seem to keep on winning, in spite of the will of the people, in order to spite the will of the people!

[firestar464]

IDK Don seems to have popular support rn, just because Joe is old or something.

This is Jimmy Carter and the rabbit all over again

[Vakanai]

IDK Don seems to have popular support rn, just because Joe is old or something.

This is Jimmy Carter and the rabbit all over again

What's mind boggling is it's not much of an age gap - Trump's only 3 years younger! And yet age never seems to be mentioned against him, only Biden. What the heck?

[firestar464]

Biden: *unfortunately aging*

Media: OMG

Trump: *dementia*

Media: ...

(tbf though struggling w/ speech is in character for trump, who is perceived as "dumb")

[Vakanai]

Biden: *unfortunately aging*

Media: OMG

Trump: *dementia*

Media: ...

(tbf though struggling w/ speech is in character for trump, who is perceived as "dumb")

Just makes it worse really - the man perceived by a majority of Americans as actually being dumb is ahead in most polls.
In what deranged reality does any of this make sense?

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Judge declines to throw out charges against Trump valet in classified documents case

Source: UK Independent

6 minutes ago

The federal judge presiding over the classified documents case against Donald Trump refused Saturday to throw out charges against a co-defendant of the former president.

Lawyers for Walt Nauta, Trump's personal valet, had asked US District Judge Aileen Cannon to dismiss the indictment against their client. They argued, among other things, that Nauta was charged because of insufficient cooperation with prosecutors' investigation and because of a personal animus that they say prosecutors harbored against one of Nauta's attorneys.

Special counsel Jack Smith's team has denied all the claims, and Cannon in her four-page order Saturday said Nauta had not met the high bar required to get the case dismissed.

Nauta and another co-defendant, Mar-a-Lago property manager, Carlos De Oliveira, are accused of conspiring with Trump to conceal evidence from investigators as they sought to recover classified documents that were taken to the Palm Beach, Florida property after Trump's presidency ended. All three men have pleaded not guilty.

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 75398.html

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Trump under fire from fellow Republicans over attempt to distance himself from Project 2025: Live updates

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Donald Trump’s recent denial that he knows anything about Project 2025, a 900-page proposal by the Heritage Foundation think-tank for a radical reconfiguring of the US federal government to suit hard-line conservatives, has been ridiculed by one of his former Republican allies.

“This is preposterous if you look at the collaborators and the authors of this plan,” commented ex-Mike Pence adviser Olivia Troye on CNN.

“A lot of these people… served in Trump’s cabinet during his administration. There are people that I worked with. I sat in those policy meetings with them.”

Naming ex-Trump administration figures John McEntee, Stephen Miller, Ben Carson and Ken Cuccinelli, Troye added: “I think what this is telling us is that Donald Trump knows that what is written in this plan is so extreme that it is damaging to his possibility of getting elected, and that’s what he’s concerned about.”

Meanwhile, the eyes of the world will once more be on President Joe Biden as he hosts a Nato summit in Washington DC amid ongoing concerns about his fitness to contest the election and serve another term in office and fresh calls for him to quit the 2024 race.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 76334.html

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