Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

[Tadasuke]

As projects get more ambitious, more work needs to be done.

(20× bigger project / 10× greater productivity) = twice as many people/workers/employees/freelancers needed

That's how it usually works. There are many examples and many proofs of that. Don't get too worried.

Artificial light gets cheaper? There are more lights and more light colours and hues.
Automobiles get more affordable and efficient? There are more automobiles and more "auto-miles" travelled.
Software gets better/easier? Software gets (exponentially) larger and used on a wider scale.
Artists can do their stuff quicker and easier? Higher quality art, more art, less waiting, potentially less back-breaking work.


How about i.e. super high quality long serialized animations in 2160p 120fps, which need only modestly sized teams to finish on time? Win-win!

Or huuge VR worlds with lots of stuff to do and lots of super high quality assets? Wouldn't that be awesome?

Instead of paying $200-300 for a single good digital painting, we could pay $200-300 for 30 great paintings or even a 20-minute long very sophisticated animation! (⁠.⁠ ⁠❛⁠ ⁠ᴗ⁠ ⁠❛⁠.⁠)

Many (not only) mobile games for example, suffer from a very low number of sprite or 3D models animations (between 3 and 8). Or they even feature only static images. In Age of Empires II Definitive Edition there are only a very small numbers of digital sprites (2D representations of high-quality 3D models). Imagine 20 different house (or other building) sprites for 30 different civilisations per "age"!! Imagine multiple versions of the same unit, so they don't look like copies!

U.S. productivity isn't rising quickly at the moment. So called developed nations GDP isn't rising quickly at the moment (anywhere from 0% to 2%). It could certainly much improve!

Btw, think about all the old games remasters and remakes that AI could help make in a very reasonable time for a reasonable cost...

Or imagine much cheaper, much more available healthcare thanks to AI and robots!! Doctors would still work. They just wouldn't be so tired and overworked!

[wjfox]

[Tadasuke]

I talked with ChatGPT multiple times and it's not that smart to be honest. I don't think there won't be human programmers in 5 years. Although employment numbers in programming might go down slightly, because there are a lot of them at the moment.

Some parents and spouses are convincing others to learn programming as that will be a great career. We'll see... I guess it's better to know programming than not know programming. So far, future predictions about AI have been usually too optimistic.

[firestar464]

We are accelerating, however, and it's worth noting that Gemini 1.5 has shown better programming abilities than GPT-4 Turbo

[raklian]

I talked with ChatGPT multiple times and it's not that smart to be honest. I don't think there won't be human programmers in 5 years. Although employment numbers in programming might go down slightly, because there are a lot of them at the moment.

Some parents and spouses are convincing others to learn programming as that will be a great career. We'll see... I guess it's better to know programming than not know programming. So far, future predictions about AI have been usually too optimistic.

I wouldn't try discounting the exponential progression of technological advancements that give us unexpected outcomes.

[wjfox]

I talked with ChatGPT multiple times and it's not that smart to be honest.

Maybe you're just bad at prompts? And I ask... yet again: have you used GPT-4? It's a huge improvement over the free version.

For those of us that know how to use it properly, ChatGPT is a godsend. It's allowing me to build an entire new website from scratch – churning out thousands of lines of fully-functional PHP, SQL, and jQuery (languages I only have a basic understanding of). This new website is packed with dynamic features and layouts I was never able to use before, all thanks to GPT-4 and its expert-level coding.

My father is using GPT-4 to write an entire new historical book in the style of Shakespeare.

I'm starting to get the impression you're just trolling.

[firestar464]

He has said that GPT-4 hasn't improved his life, but I'm not sure if he's used it per se

[Powers]

He has said that GPT-4 hasn't improved his life, but I'm not sure if he's used it per se

I think he didn't use Turbo (is that still a thing?). Me neither and it was good but the questions limit turned it meh.

[firestar464]

IDK research for stuff has gotten easier thanks to Copilot for me

[Tadasuke]

I'm glad that some of you are pleased with AI's results. I remain skeptical... for now.

[firestar464]

What are your research needs? Or do you just play around with it?

[raklian]

[wjfox]

[wjfox]

[firestar464]

Where'd she get the email?

Yes I know replacement of people is inevitable, but I hate big corpo doing it so heartlessly. Worst thing is the next thing you know tons of leftists will start incessant banning attempts

[weatheriscool]

This is why sooner or later we will need to rethink economics and base it around the idea of a basic income with machines and robotics + ai doing the production. Sure, communism failed under human labor but it probably won't under a.i.

[firestar464]

Ironically leftists will call for banning AI to artificially prop up capitalism instead of doing what their ideology is supposed to do- move beyond capitalism.

Unfortunately, the problem is that some people find enjoyment and meaning in their jobs; this is especially true for creative types of work. Even if they get money, they will still struggle to find meaning.

[weatheriscool]

Ironically leftists will call for banning AI to artificially prop up capitalism instead of doing what their ideology is supposed to do- move beyond capitalism.

Unfortunately, the problem is that some people find enjoyment and meaning in their jobs; this is especially true for creative types of work. Even if they get money, they will still struggle to find meaning.

I think some form of capitlism can exist under a.i communism or a hybrid system that takes into account this human urge for advancing beyond the basics and doing it for meaning. The production a.i system can produce the basic goods but you will also be allowed to advance in life and work along side a.i or as your own member of society with the ability to become rich.

The goal of a.i communism should be to raise the floor for humanity and supply the basics of living.
1. Provide the production to feed our population, supply the population with basic goods and make everything much easier.
2. We'll probably merge or work with a.i.

[wjfox]

[Tadasuke]

The answer is not fearing automation, but embracing and welcoming automation!

Automation can potentially free us all (at least the 99,9% of us who are not on the top!) from drudgery, time-wasting, doing what we don't want or like, and overall misery, for the most part at least. Not in 1000 years, but in about 10 to 100 years, which is in our lifetimes or in the lifetimes of our grandchildren.

But it's best (and advisable) to automate work in order from the least enjoyable and satisfactory to the most enjoyable and satisfactory. Not the other way around, obviously.

I think and suspect, that automation will either make humans rich, happy, free and carefree, or cause a huge robot uprising and end humanity. Either way, things will be much different in 100 years.