Israel's conflict with its neighbours

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Israel Tells U.N. That All of Northern Gaza Should Evacuate Within 24 Hours (1.1 Million People)

The U.N. said the order to move about 1.1 million people living there to the southern half of the territory within a 24-hour deadline would lead to “devastating humanitarian consequences.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/12 ... vacuations

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Israel’s military has informed the United Nations that the entire population of northern Gaza should relocate to the southern half of the territory within 24 hours, the U.N. spokesman, Stéphane Dujarric, said late on Thursday night, adding that such a movement — involving over one million people — would lead to “devastating humanitarian consequences.”

The message came just before midnight in Gaza, he said in a statement. The U.N. has “strongly appealed” for the order to be rescinded, the statement said, to avoid making “what is already a tragedy into a calamitous situation.” “The same order applied to all U.N. staff and those sheltered in U.N. facilities — including schools, health centers and clinics,” Mr. Dujarric said.

Israeli military officers conveyed the information to the leaders of the U.N. Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs and the Department of Safety and Security in Gaza just before midnight local time on Friday, the U.N. statement said. The U.N. was told that the marker dividing the north from south was Wadi Gaza, the statement said.

The U.N. Security Council is scheduled to hold an emergency meeting on Friday afternoon in a closed consultation format. The Council has not yet issued a statement about the conflict between Israel and Hamas because a statement requires the approval of all 15 members, and there have been divisions on language that would condemn Hamas’s attack but not address Palestinian grievances and the siege of Gaza.[/quote]

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Front page story of the Telegraph today:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... e-blinken/

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I liked your post Cyber Rebel not because I agree with everything but because this conversation has actually managed to remain a conversation instead of turning into a fight unlike the past. We both have done better with that which is nice

I admit, my writing style is very abrasive though, it comes from reading very abrasive literature and having strong values on things.

I don't believe you and I ever really butted heads that much. Aside from the war with Ukraine, and even then, it wasn't really that bad. It's worth noting that we agree on much more than disagree on. We just have very different approaches towards implementing policies, and really, the prior pandemic pushed me towards taking a more pragmatic one when it comes to dealing with issues these days.

Also, literally nothing wrong with being passionate about something, or having strong values for that matter.

So what does the real estate company do? They serve him an eviction notice. He says "no this is my house and refuses to leave." So the police show up and escalate the situation with their legal but not ethical use of violence and attempt to force him to leave. He shoots at them when they try to steal his home from him and then they murdered him in cold blood and used the media to paint him as a psychotic mass shooter.

So what objectively happened? There was a shootout between a man and the police. But unless you're a heartless capitalist there should be at least a little bit of an ethical issue to be had here even if you don't agree with left-wing politics. There was no active shooter for one, that's an utter lie that was pushed to serve certain people's economic agenda, an agenda they were willing to kill over. If you are someone who values people over property the situation gets even more disturbing.

Who has a the legitimate use of force here? To me the man in the house was neither violent or doing anything wrong. I see an extrajudicial killing for someone's profit and a concerted effort to craft narrative to lie to the population in order to justify the killing. The house stopped being whoever's it was who owned it many decades ago when they let it rot for years on end without use. The man who had moved in not only had a legitimate right to the home but also a legitimate right to defend himself from armed men trying to steal it from him.

That's how powerful ideology and narrative around an event can be. There was a shootout, but depending on what information and perspective a person has the event itself can look completely different.

As messed up as this story is, and I'm not doubting its validity, as this happened right within your home city as you say, who pulled out the gun first in this instance? Because in that case, it would be seen as unfortunately justified to use force, even if the man in question felt the need to defend himself. I'm also going to ask why this response, rather than possibly organizing the neighborhood (you say he's well known) or taking the issue to court?

Because even if the order was already made or he was bound to lose the case, he'd still have his life. For me, it's not about who possesses the legitimate use of force, but how one responds within the context regarding it. Was violence, or self-defense as you'd describe it, truly the only option left here?

In regard to the thread. We know as I've stated, the plight of the Palestinians. But, and now the reports have been verified, the response taken isn't going to be viewed lightly, for obvious reason. You can't commit atrocity to address atrocity and expect for things to be made right by doing so. All you receive, and all I've seen as a result of Hamas's actions, is more violence and an even worse situation than what Palestine started with.

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They're saying a regional conflict is a real possibility.

By making this announcement the US is probably attempting creating a deterrent for the Iranians/Russians who are considering escalating this crisis.

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Situational Update
by Emanuel Fabian and Times of Israel Staff
October 15, 2023
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(The Times of Israel) The military on Sunday said it killed another commander in Hamas’s commando forces who led the murderous attacks on southern Israeli communities last weekend, as Israel moved to evacuate a border city ahead of the Israel Defense Forces’ expected ground invasion of the Gaza Strip.

With the likely incursion looming, the IDF continued to urge Palestinians in northern Gaza to flee to the south of the coastal enclave while stressing its top priority would be rescuing the hostages held by terror groups since the October 7 onslaught launched by Hamas, in which terrorists killed over 1,300 people, mostly civilians, and kidnapped 150-200.

And Defense Minister Yoav Gallant vowed during a visit to an army base near the border with Gaza that the war against Palestinian terror groups would be “deadly” and permanently change the situation in southern Israel.

The IDF said Billal al-Qedra, the commander of the so-called Nukhba unit’s southern Khan Younis battalion, was killed in an airstrike following intelligence efforts by the Shin Bet security agency and Military Intelligence Directorate.

“He was responsible for the murderous raid in Kibbutz Nirim and Nir Oz,” the IDF said.

Read more here: https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-kill ... esumes/

Situational Update
by Ayman Nobani
October 14, 2023

Introduction:

(Al Jazeera) As Israel continues to pummel the Gaza Strip from the sky, Palestinians in the occupied West Bank are gripped with tension and have reported an increase of attacks against them by settlers and soldiers alike.

Since last Saturday, at least 55 Palestinians have been killed and more than 1,100 others wounded.

According to human rights activist Samir Abu Shams, the Israeli army is in violation of multiple international laws, particularly the Geneva Conventions, which stress that civilians should be unharmed in situations of war and armed conflict.

“What we are seeing today is that the occupation forces enter civilian areas, create friction, and target civilians with gunfire without any justification,” the 60-year-old from Tulkarem said. “Most of the cases of Israeli gunfire have been against Palestinian civilians passing through the street or going to their place of work.”

Read more here: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/14/757

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World Holds Its Breath as Israeli Assault Into Gaza Appears Imminent
by Stetson Payne, Thomas Newdick, and Tyler Rogoway

October 14, 2023
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After giving the roughly 1.1 million residents of northern Gaza 24 hours to leave their homes, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) are poised to begin the ground campaign into the strip. As we reported in our previous coverage, all the signs point to a large-scale operation in Gaza now being very much imminent. This kind of campaign comes with all manner of hazards, both for the IDF, as you can read about here: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ ... ng-in-gaza, but of course also for the residents. Hamas officials have called upon them to stay in the densely populated Palestinian enclave despite the warnings.

There has been significant movement of Gaza residents in light of those official Israeli warnings, with reports of thousands fleeing their homes and heading south Friday. Hamas has claimed that at least 70 people, mainly women and children, have been killed in Israeli strikes as they attempted to flee from Gaza. Hamas said that Israeli strikes hit convoys in three separate locations. The Palestinian health ministry in Gaza concurred with Hamas’s statement.

(See also Twitter Feeds in linked article)

The Israeli Air Force has blanketed much of Gaza with leaflets urging civilians to evacuate.

The exodus is progressing primarily along al-Rasheed street, a coastal road that's swiftly become a jammed parking lot with evacuee traffic.

Read more here: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ ... immanent