Ukraine War Watch Thread

[Xyls]

Lol, I mean was there really any other choice this year?

[Vector]

Lol, I mean was there really any other choice this year?

Here’s who is on Time’s 2022 Person of the Year shortlist

• Elon Musk

• Xi Jinping

• Liz Cheney

• Volodymyr Zelensky

• MacKenzie Scott

• Ron DeSantis

• Janet Yellen

[Vector]

Lol, I mean was there really any other choice this year?

[Vector]

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Interview with Advisor to the President of Ukraine Aleksiy Arestovich
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➤ 00:00 Situation at the front: no major changes. The enemy is shelling the Dnieper and Zaporozhye with rockets. The Ukrainian Defense Forces shot down a Russian K-52 helicopter with a crew and a SU-34 front-line bomber;
➤ 02:23 Avdiivka, Bakhmut: a trap for the Russian army;
➤ 03:21 During the day, a large number of deployed Russian mobilized was not observed;
➤ 04:23 President of Ukraine Zelensky met with fighters on the front line on the holiday Day of the Armed Forces of Ukraine;
➤ 05:41 Security breach in Kursk: airfield fuel storage damaged;
➤ 06:17 Putin fears retribution for killing Ukrainians;
➤ 08:27 Russian military potential is not protected: air defense on the territory of Russia did not work a single time in two days;
➤ 10:31 3 Russian aircraft destroyed in Engels and 1 damaged in Diaghilevo;
➤ 11:06 Historical Ukrainian land: the city of Engels was founded in the 18th century by Ukrainian merchants - Chumaks;
➤ 11:42 Hungary blocks EU aid to Ukraine: Orban's unfriendly act in the fight against the world;
➤ 13:52 Awareness of the West: there will be no negotiations with the Russian Federation. Everything will be decided on the battlefield;
➤ 15:55 The weather factor in Ukraine has a non-linear effect on the offensive and defense of Ukrainian troops;
➤ 17:46 There is no decrease in Western interest in the war in Ukraine;
➤ 19:05 Girkin summed up the results, returning from the Donbas direction of the front: no one in the Russian army knows what he is fighting for;
➤ 23:01 Ukrainian-German "Gepard" shot down a Russian cruise missile and effectively shoots down Iranian drones;
➤ 24:05 In January-February, the second wave of mobilization in the Russian Federation is planned, with the ongoing first wave;
➤ 27:07 Actions of the Legion "Freedom of Russia" against the grave: on the Trans-Siberian Railway, the movement of trains on the Krasnoyarsk section, transporting mobilized people, was suspended;
➤ 28:21 Kremlin publics spread fake information about the shelling of residential areas in the center of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine;
➤ 31:16 The frivolous rhetoric of the incompetent Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu about the temporary capture of settlements, and not about the removal of the bodies of the killed Russian military from the battlefield, because of the putrid smell of which it is impossible to breathe in the trenches;
➤ 33:38 Another exchange of prisoners of war took place;
➤ 34:33 Russia will soon lose the ability to inflict massive strikes on Ukraine's infrastructure. The Russian Federation spent 10 billion dollars to achieve tactical goals, left without a strategic potential;
➤ 39:23 After useless missile attacks on Ukrainian power plants, Russia has no potential for a war with NATO;
➤ 42:24 The Dozhd TV channel, infamous for its support of the Russian army, continues to broadcast on YouTube.

[ibm9000]

Putin claimed that the threat of nuclear war is growing, but that Russia will not be the first to employ nuclear weapons. Putin added, however, that if Russia is not the first to initiate the first use of nuclear weapons, it will also not be the second to do so, because the “possibility of using [a nuclear weapon] in the event of a nuclear strike on [Russian] territory are very limited.” Putin reiterated that Russian nuclear doctrine is premised on self-defense and stated that any Russian nuclear use would be retaliatory.
ISW.

It is evident that Putin is threatening to use nuclear weapons, again. What other reason could it be to mention nuclear weapons?, if Putin (maybe
anybody?) mentions nuclear weapons, it is a threat; obviously...


Time.
Elon Musk was in that cover... and G.W. Bush, and Trump, and Berlusconi... and A. Hitler.
Also, "The blunt reality of war in Vietnam" and "The gun in America". What's the value of a cover?, a bait to sell the magazine? Shouldn't we be a
bit more critical about the message in the media, no matter how glittering it is?

[Vector]

a bait to sell the magazine?

Exactly !! And for nothing else !!

Shouldn't we be a bit more critical about the message in the media, no matter how glittering it is?

From my point of view it won't help.
But it makes sense to increase education, for example, learn how rhetoric and journalism work.

[ibm9000]

Preliminary Lessons in Conventional Warfighting from Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: February–July 2022.
rusi.org

It is not a report, it is not History and it cannot be otherwise, we are still at war. It is only using Ukrainian data and estimates and we cannot know
how candid Ukraine is about it.
One thing specially "surprising" (for me at least) is when it's talking about deception. Deception is part of Russian doctrine (and not only in that army, obviously), but it seems that in this case they swallowed it all. You cannot show that you are not being deceived because then you are telling the other side that their deception is not working.
Still, no wishful thinking in that study, no arrows in a map.

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Preliminary Lessons in Conventional Warfighting from Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: February–July 2022.
rusi.org

Preliminary Lessons in Conventional Warfighting from Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: February–July 2022

Report (PDF)

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But it makes sense to increase education, for example, learn how rhetoric and journalism work.

A midwit would take that meme as proof that different opinions on the same thing are always equally valid. The meme actually shows how different opinions on the same thing can be equally wrong if they are based on incomplete information.

The shape is not a square or a circle or a triangle. It's a complex fusion of all three. Dare I say that most people lack the visuospatial abilities to imagine it in their heads or to accurately reproduce its shape after having a chance to examine it.

[ibm9000]

For some reason what I cannot see is your "always" anywhere.

[weatheriscool]

Ukraine launches missile attack on Russian-occupied Melitopol
Source: CNN

Multiple explosions have been reported in the Russian-occupied city of Melitopol in southern Ukraine and in annexed Crimea, including at a Russian military barracks.

The explosions in Melitopol came amid reports from officials on both sides that Ukraine had launched a missile attack on the city on Saturday.

Melitopol’s Moscow-installed administrators said four missiles hit the city, killing two and injuring 10, while Melitopol’s mayor reported several explosions, including at a church occupied by Russian forces.

Separately, reports also emerged of multiple explosions hitting Russian-annexed Crimea, including at a military barracks in Sovietske.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/europe/u ... index.html

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A midwit would take that meme as proof that different opinions on the same thing are always equally valid. The meme actually shows how different opinions on the same thing can be equally wrong if they are based on incomplete information.

The shape is not a square or a circle or a triangle. It's a complex fusion of all three. Dare I say that most people lack the visuospatial abilities to imagine it in their heads or to accurately reproduce its shape after having a chance to examine it.

I see your point. But in fact with this meme, I wanted to express different thought.
I mean that politics, journalists, showman, propagandist when they talk about some subject cover it only on some dimension which beneficial to them, as result of with viewer cannot fully imagine the covered subject in all aspects of them. And this is at best, at worst, some manipulation tricks are used, for example, substitution of concepts and others, and in extreme cases, outright lies.

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Ukraine launches missile attack on Russian-occupied Melitopol

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[ibm9000]

After deep-reading those "Preliminary lessons", I miss the same level of judgment upon past Ukrainian operations; I would say that the British Army was extremely lucky having to face neither Russians nor Ukrainians but Iraqis; I wonder how serious (compare to) was their (Iraqi) fighting and I just realized how completely unprepared is the British (every) army for anything longer than a weekend war.

[weatheriscool]

Key bridge targeted overnight in Russian-occupied Melitopol
Source: CNN via Egypt Independent

A bridge essential to the resupply of Russian forces occupying the city of Melitopol in southern Ukraine was targeted by strikes overnight, according to both Ukrainian and Russian officials.

The bridge appears to have buckled or collapsed inwards in a video posted online by Vladimir Rogov, a pro-Russian regional official.

Rogov also posted what appears to be CCTV footage in which an explosion can be heard.

CNN has not been able to verify if the explosion is from the bridge, but the video is part of a set of videos Rogov posted of the incident.

Read more: https://egyptindependent.com/key-bridge ... melitopol/

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Key bridge targeted overnight in Russian-occupied Melitopol

[raklian]

An Atmospheric Trick May Have Helped A Ukrainian Missile Battery Find And Sink The Russian Cruiser ‘Moskva’

Story by David Axe, Forbes Staff

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/a ... c810771164

Many of the rumors attempted to explain how a navy with virtually no big ships or aircraft could defeat a navy with lots of big—and heavily-armed—vessels and planes. Some of the rumors hinged on the assumption that the Ukrainians required foreign help in order to strike Moskva.

Did one of the Ukrainian navy’s Turkish-made Bayraktar TB-2 drones sneak up on Moskva and pinpoint her location, 80 miles south of Odesa, for the Neptune battery? Did a high-flying U.S. Navy Boeing P-8 patrol plane relay the critical coordinates?

Neither, apparently. According to an eyebrow-raising new story in Ukrainska Pravda, the Neptune battery—a quad launcher and its associated radar—found and hit Moskva mostly on its own.

The assistance the battery did receive ... came from nature. An atmospheric phenomenon called “temperature inversion” created a kind of channel for radar waves that allowed them to travel over the curve of the horizon and back,

“Nature itself unexpectedly helped Ukraine on April 13,” Ukrainska Pravda reporter Roman Romaniuk wrote. “The operators of the Neptune should not have reached Moskva with ordinary radar, but this is exactly what happened.”

Wow. Didn't know the sinking of the Moskva had such interesting story! Though I hope it isn't a cover story meant to bury the fact US intelligence shared information with the Ukrainians on the Moskva's whereabouts at the time.

[weatheriscool]

Ukraine: Russian strikes thwarted, wreckage hits buildings
Source: AP

By HANNA ARHIROVA and JAMEY KEATEN an hour ago

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukrainian authorities said they thwarted a Russian attack on Kyiv and the surrounding region Wednesday as their air defense system intercepted and destroyed 13 explosive-laden drones, although wreckage from some of them damaged five buildings. No casualties were reported.

The attempted strikes underlined how vulnerable Ukraine’s capital remains to the regular Russian attacks that have devastated infrastructure and population centers in recent weeks, mostly in the country’s east and south. But they also highlighted Ukraine’s claims of increasing efficiency in intercepting weapons — something that Patriot missiles from the U.S. may soon help boost.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in a brief video statement, said the “terrorists” fired 13 Iranian-made drones, and all were intercepted. Such drones have been part of the firepower, along with rockets, missiles, shelling mortars and artillery, as Russia targets power stations, water facilities and other public utility sites.

The snow-covered capital remained largely calm after the attack, which occurred around daybreak. As the working day began, authorities sounded the all-clear.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... osition_01

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Ukraine Latest: US Is Poised to Send Patriot Defense Batteries
Source: Bloomberg

(Bloomberg) -- The US is poised to send Patriot air and missile defense batteries to Ukraine pending final approval from President Joe Biden, two US officials said.

European Union nations reached a preliminary agreement to clear the way for Ukraine to receive aid from the bloc valued at €18 billion ($19 billion) while Emmanuel Macron announced a commitment of 1 billion euros of donations from a delegation of some 70 governments and international bodies to help the country through the winter.

The funds will go toward fixing energy infrastructure, transport, health, water and food, the French president said after hosting an international donors’ conference in Paris.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk ... r-AA15d5Np