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Russia's weakened position makes it more subservient to and dependent upon China.
“A Russia weakened by war and sanctions but not chaotic and unstable suits China’s long-term interests,” said Bobo Lo, a former deputy head of the Australian mission in Moscow who now works at the Lowy Institute. “Russia’s isolation will further push it into a position of a junior partner in the relationship, while increasing its economic and strategic dependency on China.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/china-n ... mir-putin/

The analysis also mentions that China is pressuring Russia to stop arms sales to India, China's rival.

The long-term geopolitical consequences of the Ukraine War could include:
1) A strengthened and enlarged NATO.
2) An isolated and eastern-looking Russia that is a junior partner to China.
3) India reducing its ties to Russia and becoming better friends with the West.
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Russia claims advances in Ukraine amid barrages, troop boost
Source: AP

By JOHN LEICESTER and HANNA ARHIROVA
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russia claimed Tuesday it has occupied large swaths of eastern Ukraine after a relentless, weekslong barrage and the recent deployment of more troops.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Moscow’s forces have control of 97% of the Luhansk region.

Russia has declared that fully capturing the entire Donbas, which includes the Donetsk and Luhansk regions and where Russia-backed separatists have fought the Ukrainian government since 2014, is its main goal in the invasion of its neighboring country which began Feb. 24. The region recently has been bearing the brunt of the Russian onslaught.

It’s not clear whether Russia would try to expand its offensive elsewhere in Ukraine if it takes the Donbas. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov warned Monday that if the West provides Ukraine with long-range rockets capable of reaching Russian territory, Moscow will respond by pressing its offensive deeper into Ukraine.


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funkervogt wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:45 pm ...
https://www.politico.eu/article/china-n ... mir-putin/

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The long-term geopolitical consequences of the Ukraine War could include:
1) A strengthened and enlarged NATO.
2) An isolated and eastern-looking Russia that is a junior partner to China.
3) India reducing its ties to Russia and becoming better friends with the West.

Add to that (or at least to further illustrate Russia's isolation as noted in Number 2):

Putin’s War In Ukraine Costing Moscow Support In Ethnic Organizations Abroad It Thought It Controlled
by Paul Goble
June 8, 2022

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That many people have turned against the Putin regime and Russia more generally because of Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine. But that an increasing number of people and organizations abroad that Moscow thought were in its pocket is more striking because it highlights just how angry many are about what Russia is doing in Ukraine.

The decision of Russian Orthodox churches in various countries is perhaps the clearest example of this anger. Faithful and clergy in many of them are breaking with a country whose religious organizations have long been close to or even under the tight control of Moscow officials, religious and civic.

But something more profound appears to be going on in ethnic organizations that the Kremlin has long counted as its allies. Even among them, there is growing anger in the ranks about what Moscow is doing in Ukraine and there are now indications that groups many had viewed as Russian agents are ready to break away.

The latest example of this trend concerns KAFFED, Turkey’s largest North Caucasian organization and one that some have criticized in the past for its unwillingness to challenge Moscow. But now there are signs that there is going to be a leadership change there that will make the group far less willing to go along.

In the first instance, as Alexander Thatcher at the Central European University points out, this will make KAFFED a more powerful voice within Turkey, allowing it to ride the current “nationalist” wave there (oc-media.org/features/turkeys-largest-north-caucasian-organisation-to-take-anti-kremlin-turn/)
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Three captured mercenaries, Brits Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner and Moroccan Saadoun Brahim, were sentenced to death by the court of Donetsk People's Republic.
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Ukraine says troops holding on to Sievierodonetsk, advance in south
Source: Reuters

KYIV/SLOVIANSK, Ukraine, June 9 (Reuters) - Ukrainian forces claimed on Thursday to have pushed forward in intense street fighting in the eastern city of Sievierodonetsk, but said their only hope to turn the tide was more artillery to offset Russia's massive firepower.

In the south, Ukraine's defence ministry said it had captured new ground in a counter-attack in Kherson province, targeting the biggest swathe of territory Russia has seized since its invasion in February.

The battle amid the ruins of Sievierodonetsk, a small industrial city, has become one of the war's bloodiest, with Russia concentrating its invasion force there. Both sides say they have inflicted massive casualties.

Sievierodonetsk and its twin city Lysychansk on the opposite bank of the Siverskyi Donets river are the last Ukrainian-controlled parts of Luhansk province, which Moscow is determined to seize as one of its principal war objectives
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Certain Russian user wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:29 pm Three captured mercenaries, Brits Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner and Moroccan Saadoun Brahim, were sentenced to death by the court of Donetsk People's Republic.

I don't know about Brahim, but the two Britons are not "mercenaries". Both were serving in the Ukrainian armed forces, meaning they should be protected by the Geneva convention on prisoners of war.

This is clearly a sham trial, and their execution will be a war crime. And it's going to backfire – since Ukrainian forces will now be less likely to surrender if they know this fate awaits them.
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wjfox wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:21 pm Britons are not "mercenaries".
Call them as you like, but they came to kill Russian people on Russian land. I don't know their motives (thirst for glory, thirst for adrenaline, something even more exotic and dirty?). Anyway, this is already irrelevant. The only thing worth discussion here is: bullet or noose?

Unfortunately, they will likely survive and will be exchanged for someone or something.
wjfox wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:21 pm This is clearly a sham trial...
The key word here is TRIAL. They were not burned alive, they were not shot in the knees, they were not drowned with their hands tied, their throats were not cut, their agony and deaths were not filmed in order to send it to their wives and children... all this has already happened to Russian POWs in Ukraine. And therefore...
wjfox wrote: Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:21 pm Geneva convention...
Please roll it up and stick it where it hurts. I finished. Thank you.
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The Russians have learned from some of their early war mistakes, and have adjusted their strategy and tactics accordingly.
Ukraine has now almost completely run out of ammunition for the Soviet-era weapons systems that were the mainstay of its arsenal, and the Eastern European countries that maintained the same systems have run out of surplus supplies to donate, Danylyuk said. Ukraine urgently needs to shift to longer-range and more sophisticated Western systems, but those have only recently been committed, and in insufficient quantities to match Russia’s immense firepower, he said.

Russia is firing as many as 50,000 artillery rounds a day into Ukrainian positions, and the Ukrainians can hit back with only around 5,000 to 6,000 rounds a day, he said. The United States has committed to deliver 220,000 rounds of ammunition — enough to match Russian firepower for around four days.

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The Russians have meanwhile adapted their tactics in ways that have let them take full advantage of their firepower by remaining at a distance from Ukrainian positions, pounding them relentlessly, then taking territory once the Ukrainians have been forced to retreat.

The Russians are also doing a better job of combining their arms, using close air support and deploying dismounted infantry, said Rob Lee, a former U.S. Marine now with the Foreign Policy Research Institute.

Russian officials have claimed they are advancing more slowly than during the initial invasion to avoid civilian casualties. Instead, however, the tactic helps reduce Russian casualties while inflicting heavy losses on the civilians who live in the towns and villages being targeted, analysts say.
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe ... 03189.html
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Russia's economy is withstanding the sanctions surprisingly well, mostly due to high oil and gas prices on world markets.
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginal ... apart.html

This accords with what I've seen from Russian vloggers on Youtube. When they go into supermarkets and malls to show how bad things are thanks to the sanctions, but the shelves are still mostly full and all essential goods are still available.
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Russia likely to seize all of Luhansk in coming weeks, U.S. official says
Source: Washington Post
Russia is likely to seize control of the entire Luhansk region of Ukraine within a few weeks, a senior U.S. defense official said, as Ukraine sustains heavy casualties and its supplies of ammunition dwindle.

Such a move would leave Russia short of its war aims of capturing all of Luhansk and Donetsk, which together make up the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. But it would still amount to a win for Russian forces and create a new de facto front line that could last for some time.

The Ukrainian cities of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, in Luhansk, are increasingly under duress and could fall to Russian forces within a week, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Fierce street fighting continued Saturday in Severodonetsk, a strategic city near the Donets river. Ukrainian forces control a third of the city, Mayor Alexander Stryuk told the BBC's Ukrainian service.
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I cite this story not because it contains any insights that have not already been explored in this thread, but by way of corroborating what others have presented as their personal opinion on the subject:

Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: What Does Russia Stand to Gain Through Its Maritime Operations?
by Michael van Ginkel
June 11 , 2022

Introduction:
(Eurasia Review) Russia’s recent military operations against Ukraine have expanded its control over critical Sea Lanes of Communication (SLOC) in the Black Sea. SLOC give the region international economic importance by forming a conduit for trade between Europe, the Greater Middle East, and the Russian Federation.

In addition to facilitating transshipments, Black Sea littoral countries are major contributors to the global supply chains of several important commodities, including metals, hydrocarbons, and food. While the long-term status of territories and assets seized by Russia following its invasion on February 24th remains ambiguous, if left under Russian control they could considerably bolster Russia’s geopolitical position.

Russia’s Economic Interest in the Black Sea

The Black Sea already has significant economic importance for Russia, especially in regards to grain and hydrocarbon exports. Russia relies heavily on its Black Sea deep water ports to transport grain, 90 percent of which it exports through the maritime domain. Major Black Sea terminals in Novorossiysk, Tuapse, and Taman allow Russia to retain its position as one of the world’s leading grain exporters. Russia has continued to invest in Black Sea export capacity over recent years. The inauguration of a new deep-water berth at Novorossiysk in July 2021 has upgraded the grain terminal carrying capacity from 50,000 tons to 7 million tons per year, the second largest transhipment volume in Russia.

The Black Sea also plays a major role in the exportation of Russian hydrocarbons to markets in Europe. The majority of hydrocarbons transit the Black sea as gas through two underwater pipelines, BlueStream and TurkStream, which are responsible for a combined 30 billion cubic meters of gas annually. Hydrocarbons are also transported by tankers across the sea as refined and crude petroleum. The CPC terminal near Novorossiysk shipped roughly 60.7 million tons of oil across the Black Sea in 2021. Direct control over the SLOC in the Black Sea allows Russia to protect and expand on its economic interests.
Conclusion:
Although Ukraine is actively defending its territory, Russia continues to make incremental gains along the coastline. If permanent, the territorial losses would not only significantly impact the Ukrainian economy, but also threaten the security of major global supply chains.
Read more here: https://www.eurasiareview.com/11062022 ... analysis/

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Russian Strikes Killed Scores of Civilians In Ukraine’s Chernihiv, Says Human Right Watch
June 11 , 2022

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(Eurasia Review) Russian forces killed and wounded numerous civilians in eight attacks in Chernihiv city in northeastern Ukraine in early March 2022, Human Rights Watch said Friday. Four of these attacks, from the air and ground, were in clear violation of the laws of war. They included the bombing of an apartment complex that killed 47 civilians, an attack that killed at least 17 people in a bread line outside a supermarket, and two separate attacks, including one using widely banned cluster munitions, that damaged two hospitals.

Ukrainian forces may have placed civilians at risk in five of the Russian forces’ attacks, including one where Territorial Defense Forces had established a base at a school. One of these Russian strikes hit a hospital, which has enhanced protections under the laws of war, making the strike on the facility unlawful despite the possible presence of a military checkpoint near the hospital. The four other strikes may still have violated prohibitions against indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, despite the apparent nearby presence of Ukrainian troops.

“Russian forces in March repeatedly attacked populated areas in Chernihiv from the ground and air with seeming disregard for civilian loss of life,” said Belkis Wille, senior crisis and conflict researcher at Human Rights Watch. “The failure of Ukrainian forces in some areas to remove civilians added to the casualties, but the attacker must still distinguish between civilians and combatants.”

The Russian military began attacking Chernihiv on February 24, the first day of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Human Rights Watch investigated attacks on the city that occurred between March 3 and March 17. While Russian forces never captured Chernihiv, by late March they had effectively surrounded the city, trapping civilians and subjecting them to further bombardment. Russian forces withdrew from the area on March 31 as part of their broader retreat from the Kyiv and Chernihiv regions.

Between March 8 and May 9, Human Rights Watch interviewed 34 people including 24 witnesses to the eight attacks, as well as emergency responders, Chernihiv Regional Administration officials, and local prosecutors, who provided civilian casualty figures. On April 19 and 20, researchers inspected the sites of the eight attacks.
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Momentum in Ukraine Is Shifting in Russia's Favor
Yet, the heady early days of the war — when the Ukrainian underdog held off a deluded and inept aggressor and Putin’s indiscriminate bombardment united the West in outrage — have begun to fade. In their place is a war that is evolving into what analysts increasingly say will be a long slog, placing growing pressure on the governments and economies of Western countries and others throughout the world.

Nowhere is that slog more evident than in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region. Despite urgent pleas to the West for more heavy weapons, Ukrainian forces appear to lack what it takes to confront Russia’s use of artillery for scorched-earth shelling of towns and villages. While Ukraine is holding Russia back in the major regional city of Sievierodonetsk, it is suffering heavy losses — at least 100 fatalities a day, although their full extent is not yet known — and desperately needs more weapons and ammunition.

...If the Russian economy has shown surprising resilience, it has been hit hard by Western sanctions; a brain drain will undermine growth for many years. Putin’s pariah status in the West appears unlikely to change.

Elsewhere, however, in Africa and Asia, support for the West — and for Ukraine — is more nuanced. Many countries see little difference between Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and the U.S.’ invasion of Iraq in 2003; they seem unlikely to be persuaded otherwise.

More generally, there is resentment in much of the developing world of what is seen as U.S. domination, viewed as a hangover from the 20th century. In this context, the strong partnership between China and Russia is viewed not with the hostility and anxiety that it provokes in the West, but rather as a salutary challenge to a Western-dominated global system.

...With inflation hitting levels not seen for four decades in the U.S. and Britain, financial markets tumbling, interest rates rising and food shortages looming, such a drift in focus away from a long war toward more pressing domestic concerns may be inevitable. The war is not to blame for all of these developments, but it does exacerbate most of them — and there is no end in sight.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/momentum-ukr ... 35416.html

I'm reminded of a recent conversation I had with an Indian friend. He said Indians don't hold the same hatred towards the Nazis that Westerners do because Indians liked that someone stood up to their oppressor, Britain. He then talked about the many atrocities that the British committed against Indians during the colonial period, and the injustice that no one outside of India cares about or knows about them.

I think the West bears some responsibility for the Ukraine War by meddling in its politics in the 2000s and 2010s. We should have conceded it as a Russian satellite state and left it alone. If Putin felt securely in control of Ukraine, he probably wouldn't have invaded.
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If this was the united states both the left and right would agree on burning down Washington dc and pulling the president out of the white house to hang them in a tree. It is only going to go on because it is russia and the people will accept seeing hundreds of thousands if not millions of their brothers dying in a retarded war. This is how retarded and brainwashed these people are!
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Sorry, are you referring to Vietnam or the invasion of Iraq?

Second battle of Fallujah, any difference between what US was doing there and Russia is doing now?

I was reading this morning about the illegal killing of British citizens by the British Army, in Belfast, not in Derry, those are just crimes, not warcrimes; nobody pay for them, nobody is going to pay for them.

I think that our "high moral standards" are pretty low and that our hypocrisy is in very good shape.
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All bridges to key Ukraine city destroyed - official
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Severodonetsk

-Battles for the city of Severodonetsk are still raging
-All three bridges leading to the city have been destroyed, the regional governor says
-Residents who remain in the city are surviving under extremely difficult conditions, he adds, with the city under heavy fire
-Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky says Ukrainian troops are fighting for "literally every metre" of the city - which is still the focal point of the fighting in the eastern Donbas region
-Ukrainian forces have been pushed out of the city centre because of Russia having a significant advantage in artillery, Ukraine's military says
-Ukrainian troops remaining in the city must "surrender or die", a military representative of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic says
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The battle of Donbas could prove decisive in Ukraine war
Source: Associated Press
Day after day, Russia is pounding the Donbas region of Ukraine with relentless artillery and air raids, making slow but steady progress to seize the industrial heartland of its neighbor.

With the conflict now in its fourth month, it’s a high-stakes campaign that could dictate the course of the entire war.

If Russia prevails in the battle of Donbas, it will mean that Ukraine loses not only land but perhaps the bulk of its most capable military forces, opening the way for Moscow to grab more territory and dictate its terms to Kyiv. A Russian failure could lay the grounds for a Ukrainian counteroffensive — and possibly lead to political upheaval for the Kremlin.

Following botched early attempts in the invasion to capture Kyiv and the second-largest city of Kharkiv without proper planning and coordination, Russia turned its attention to the Donbas, a region of mines and factories where Moscow-backed separatists have been fighting Ukrainian forces since 2014.
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NATO war of attrition against Russia or Ukrainian lives?

If we keep providing weapons to Ukraine, that suits our interests.

Should Ukraine keep fighting a war that it cannot win?

I am thinking here of 1914, in what situation can Ukraine impose its conditions on Russia? In two years time Ukraine is going to be in a stronger military position, so that it's going to launch a -real- offensive and reach Moscow?, reconquer -not reoccupy- the south of Ukraine?
From the beginning, this has not been an Arab-Israeli war, in two days Russia was at the gates of Kiev and I haven't been able to read anything about a brilliant counterattack sending them back, even if we don't have much information.
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'War Crimes': Amnesty Probe Details Hundreds Killed by Russia's Indiscriminate Bombing of Kharkiv
by Julia Conley
June 13, 2022

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(Common Dreams) Russia's repeated attacks on Ukraine using cluster munitions "constitute war crimes," Amnesty International said in a new report released Monday, highlighting several bombings in the northeastern city of Kharkiv, where more than 600 civilians have been killed since Russia invaded Ukraine in February.

The report, titled Anyone Can Die at Any Time https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/e ... /2022/en/ , was compiled from interviews with 160 people, including survivors of strikes, witnesses, and medical professionals who treated victims.

Amnesty researchers spent 14 days in the Kharkiv region investigating 41 strikes that took place between February 24 and April 28, including cluster munition strikes in residential neighborhoods across the city. Those strikes killed at least 62 people and injured nearly 200.

"The repeated use of widely banned cluster munitions is shocking, and a further indication of utter disregard for civilian lives," said Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International's senior crisis response adviser. "The Russian forces responsible for these horrific attacks must be held accountable for their actions, and victims and their families must receive full reparations."

Cluster munitions are banned under the Convention on Cluster Munitions, a global treaty that took effect in 2010. Ukraine, Russia, and the U.S. are not signatories of the agreement, but Amnesty said the countries "are obliged to respect the ban on the use of inherently indiscriminate weapons that forms part of customary international humanitarian law."
Read more here: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022 ... e-bombing

I suspect there are probably those who assume that Amnesty International works hand in glove with one or more government. Still, for the record:
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