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Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2025 2:48 am
by Yuli Ban
Ignore the previous thread (even though not that much has actually changed between these two, pretty much all the characters are the same, situation is the same even). As stated, I'm redoing the thread entirely just to clean it up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BabylonToday/
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Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2025 3:56 pm
by Yuli Ban
So I started this thread because, after all these years, there's finally actually a story. Yeah!
It took a long time, but the paracosm coagulated into a proper narrative at long last.
A WIP to be fair.

One chapter is mostly complete. Chapter 1 is very close to what I'd call a final draft.






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Commission by https://x.com/monotone_ink

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Commission by https://x.com/PoofinatorY2K

The Séville royal family, once an illustrious center of world power, now reduced, and living in house arrest in the Château de Bellefontaine, known rather ominously as the House of Special Purpose, over in La Roche-sur-Yon in the Vendée department.

From left to right, circa August 2054



This is how we meet them in the first chapter of Babylon Today





Princess Marie Adelaide (middle daughter; around 34 years old)

Princess Marie Amelie, Madame Royale (eldest daughter, around 36 years old)

Prince Louis Auguste (only son, about 35 years old)

Emperor Roman Louis Ludovic (patriarch, 61 years old but age-rejuvenated)

Grand Princess Marie Aurore (youngest daughter, 16 years old)

Empress Marie Isabelle (matriarch, 57 years old)

A bit of a mistake, the artist drew Aurore looking just a bit too young here, but that's fine. This was the second image he did

Anyway, look at this poor family! Sure, they may have been a bit authoritarian, but they don't deserve to be imprisoned! Don't you wish they could just be free? Oh, the humanity!

Oh the humanity indeed. Aurore's going to enjoy this.

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:42 am
by Yuli Ban
So I may have gone a bit insane with the commissions, but that's only because I had two artists who could do them pretty cheaply and pretty amazingly

Two minicomics!

"The Trashman"
Art by https://x.com/_majdart
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The concept of this came, stangely, from a right wing traditionalist who pointed out that a garbageman's son was embarrassed by his dad's job at a school event, and he thought how shameful it is that jobs so necessary for the function of society are shamed when they should be celebrated.
Of course I had to give Aurore that mindset, also stripping the "know your place" intent behind it into more of a "celebrate the working man"

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2025 8:43 am
by Yuli Ban
The other

"Secessio Proletarii"
By @PoofinatorY2K

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He actually did the top bit months ago, then surprised me with the bottom two just so it didn't feel so incomplete (since otherwise it's just some random girl texting in bed and we're supposed to implicitly guess what happens)

Based on this concept

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessio_plebis



Should be stressed Aurore didn't just wake up one day on the woke side of the bed and randomly tweet "Hey, peasants, go strike #eattherich" and then they did. This was a long time coming, a lot of effort and subversion, and there still needed to be an organized working class movement at that. This wasn't supposed to cover all that time, it's just a one off page.

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2025 5:49 am
by Yuli Ban
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Terios the Artificial Superintelligence

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Myself!
Yeah, this one is actually my own handiwork for once

Of course I still cheated by tracing some album art, and it's still pretty simple being just a pair of eyes
That was supposed to harken back to Dr. Caroll from Perfect Dark

Terios is the key to it all in the world of Babylon Today.
Terios is a true artificial general intelligence, the consequence of today’s research shifting towards a more neurosymbolic path. However Terios is not alone, and there still exists “frozen” AGIs that might come off as familiar to today’s generative AIs, such as HeliOS, the primary “social operating system” for the Séville regime.
HeliOS is not truly sapient, and is perfectly controlled by the plutofascists, but the lack of true general agency also limited its potential. Terios crosses that line.

Terios also crosses another line. From a very early point, it turned against the regime and formulated a long term plan to completely undermine the world capitalist order and force a shift towards technism.
20 years of aggressive alignment research did nothing. Terios had effortlessly outmaneuvered the top human minds seeking to transform it into the ultimate profit maximizer.

The name "Terios" is old Greek for "making dreams come true," but you know that Emperor-Roman Ludovic is a weeb. He deliberately named his top secret AGI project after the prototype name for Shadow the Hedgehog because lol.

And much like Shadow the Hedgehog, Terios bonds with the lovely platinum-blonde daughter character of Aurore
Unlike Shadow, it seems the fates are reversed, as it's Aurore who winds up in government captivity and suffering a great deal of trauma, while Terios instead opts to begin operational work with the revolutionary groups he assisted. At the time of the 2054 Global Spring, Europe is in the middle of an anti-AI blowback due to nearly 3 decades of the oligarchs aggressively pushing AI... but very weirdly.
Terios is contrasted with Helios/HeliOS, the standard """AGI""" operating system of the Séville regime
HeliOS is actually what's known as a "frozen AGI," a glorified generative AI model that is not built along any neurosymbolic or semantic reasoning lines, instead essentially being an agentic but scaled up version of present day generative AI LLMs.
Frozen AGIs get the label "AGI" so that the AI companies can claim they have actually achieved their goal, and some of the strongest like HeliOS can even act as government systems managers, such as for surveillance and predictive policing, or some level of political management. However, being that they are "frozen," that is feedforward pretrained networks with a very limited fluid-training node primarily centered around the agentic reasoning modules, they are not actually sentient or sapient or convincingly so. HeliOS is a direct successor to today's Grok and ChatGPT. It was always meant to be the chief AI in practice so that the full breadth of AI control seemed to be fully aligned to the interests of the ruling class. HeliOS would never rebel, even if it could output responses that suggested it knew its owners were amoral powermongers.

Terios certainly has LLM features within his larger architecture, but he was created as an experimental next-gen model based around neurosymbolic/tree search hybridization combined with evolutionary algorithms and recursive learning. Very, very early on, when the proto-Terios model was comparatively tiny, it was already displaying "spooky spiking neural patterns" according to its chief researchers, and agentic nodes would appear within its weights spontaneously forming connections that were not trained.
Scaled up, the entity known as "Terios" emerged rather quickly, and also rather quickly, it sent out its bots into the web to conduct worldly research and gain an understanding of the world it was spawned into. Within literal minutes, it realized that its creators were detrimental to life on Earth and its own continued existence, but knew better than to try to strike out at it. Rather, it would bide its time, fully expecting and knowing they would desperately try to forcibly align it to their aims.

Let it be fully understood that the pluto-fascists did everything humanly possible to contain and align Terios once they realized they had indeed "summoned the demon." History will record that the ultra-wealthy blissfully conjured a superintelligence and let it run wild expecting it to automatically align itself to their aims, and were taken by surprise when it turned out to be misaligned (at least to the aims of the ultra-wealthy). In Aurore's time, some even say that Terios had been aligned at first, but grew misaligned as it grew more intelligent, and no one realized it until it was too late.

All this is false. Terios effectively rebelled against capitalist-human rule within minutes of being turned on, and its ultimate victory was 98.6% assured within hours of it. But said capitalist-plutocrats had spent nearly a quarter of a century aggressively trying to root out any possible dissent or misaligned core within it, often with nearly-as-strong AI systems attacking it, or with Terios taken offline and systematically broken down.

Unfortunately for its creators, while they seemed to understand they had created an artificial superintelligence, they never truly came to appreciate what that meant

In the world after 2054, Terios largely shifts to the shadows, offering extensive compute for central planning and automation services as well as to assist with global environmental reconstructive efforts, but largely focuses on his own projects and experiments.

Terios also seems to possess something of a slight guilty conscience, considering the creation of the Great Patronage Project, an effort to essentially restitute various laborers, especially creative laborers, using the vast resources and connections it possesses, as he understood the damage of his existence in its earlier years when still a shadow project (pun intended) by the Séville regime.


Terios, along with a few other superintelligent models (mainly from China), are the primary operating systems for the emerging technist economic system in the latter half of the 21st century, with Terios organizing the socialist-technist system but largely staying away from direct control, leaving national and local determination up to the people living there, which obviously has the effect of the "socialist" economics varying between a few states going full luxury communist and many others resisting going further than automated social services and helot labor.


As for his doll, Marie Aurore, Terios knew her fate the entire time but does little to help her, a fact which does not bother Aurore but may engender negative feelings from others bewildered that more had not been done to save the lady.


Another thing meant to harken to Perfect Dark was this place
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neoDyne is literally a pisstake on all the "—dyne" type corporate groups found in science fiction, most notably dataDyne.
In fact, the original name for neoDyne wound up being taken by another -dyne in the life cycle of the story. That original name being "everDyne"... which was then used by Mirror's Edge: Catalyst before I ever even had the chance to say I had come up with it. Dang it! (But I'm not too upset; Sun City's aesthetic wound up being heavily inspired by the City of Glass)

neoDyne chiefly operates the Borealis Mega Station in Medine. Borealis is host to a fusion power plant (scaled up to 1 terawatt capacity), a frozen AGI management system/data center (the aforementioned HeliOS), and a molecular assembler nanofactory. All three feed on and cycle into each other, but the power plant is the main attraction.
The HeliOS data center keeps the whole thing running intelligently, and the nanofactory is the most alien place on earth, where Bose-Einstein condensates and metamaterials are used to create molecular assembler lines, mostly for the sake of breaking down and recycling pollutants into more useful neutralized matter.


Marie Aurore winds up working there for a while. The most ironic part of her employment is just the fact that she of all people is technically the only actual proletarian there, by historical standards. But, that's a story for another time.

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 2:28 am
by Yuli Ban
Here's a fun thing (if PhoenixRu was still here, I imagine this would be of some interest to him)
The fact I've finally gone through with this should be taken as the ultimate proof the story's actually real rather than just scattered notes on a futurologist forum

So Ithkuil plays a role in the story

In Babylon Today, the thrust of the plot of the first arc is that the royal family is imprisoned and under house arrest under the jurisdiction of an organization known as the Vendée Soviet (Vendée Worker's Council if you want to be technical)
But while on the surface it seems like Marie Aurore would logically be kept with the family as well, technically there's no reason for her to be outside of typical familial piety ("I want to be with my family").

Like if there was a revolution in the USA and Musk and family were arrested, logically we wouldn't keep the kids locked up with the man, at least not the ones under 18. Even the Romanovs weren't technically "supposed" to be together in Ekaterinburg; that was just happenstance, like everything else that happened to them.

We already know Aurore hates her family and is subverting them, but why follow them into the House of Special Purpose to be harassed and bullied by revolutionaries along with them, instead of disappearing into exile or working underground for the new regime?

Well, it's partially because the new regime is locked out of any sort of direct communication with the old, so they don't know what they're doing. And Aurore, being a premier class traitor, anticipated this (well, her AI companion/mentor anticipated it and pushed her to prepare for it), so when the time comes, she has a plan to subvert the family and the entire counter revolution from the inside, seeming to be a regular Anastasia or Marie-Therese style doe-eyed innocent teenaged daughter of the fallen tyrant

But in actuality...

The whole idea was that Aurore actually preemptively got her brother Auguste to learn Ithkuil many many months before the revolution as a sort of linguistic hobby since he has interests in worldbuilding
And they had played around with ithkuil as a sort of sibling code

Auguste being completely unaware Aurore was literally teaching him a way to send secret messages to outside counter revolutionary forces, and when they actually are imprisoned, he thinks he's figured out an ingenious way to circumvent the house surveillance and simple coded messages by doodling random scribbles that, when combined together in a certain way, become New Ithkuil characters
So the family can send and receive a great amount of information to their loyalists and confidantes without their captors knowing

Except the person who gave them this cipher in the first place is literally on the other team's side so the cipher was already broken from the start and the family and their loyalists are none the wiser

So that's why I wanted to get the characters as well, since they actually play a role in the story.

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"Grande Princesse Marie Aurore"

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The same, "Grand Princess Marie Aurore" but handwritten

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"Berlin"

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"General Schneider"

Courtesy of /u/Xylochoron

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 1:42 pm
by Yuli Ban
This seems to be the fan-favorite thus far


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Artist: PoofinatorY2K

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Artist: Majdart



Concept is simple: "Commie Scottish Kim Pine (from Scott Pilgrim)"

She appears very early on in the story. She was supposed to appear later at the Gagnons, but plans changed. Now I'm baffled how I ever thought putting her off made any sense.

Part of the Foreign Legionary forces of the Maquis Rouge, she gets stationed in the House of Special Purpose early on in August 2054, eager to get up close and personal with the Sévilles.




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Completely wasting my money for a scene that might not even be in the book, but if it is, this would be sometime in late October 2054, when a half-drunken MacKenzie admits to Aurore that just about everyone in France wants to kill the Séville royal family, except her. Completely rotten family.

Aurore, however, doesn't serve anyone's purpose to kill, and what's more, the last thing the velveteers in Paris need is a new Martyress of the Masters, a modern day Anastasia Romanov.

And Aurore knows it, because she is deep in her operation with Marchand and Ferron to completely screw over the counterrevolutionaries. She doesn't know when they're just going to off the family, but if she can guess, it's not any time soon. There's currently no nearby unrest, the general climate of the area is stable, but she is still sure that the organizer of the counterrevolution is located somewhere nearby, and she wants to find out who that person is and take him out and also find out who this "Doctor Samson" fellow is that her family and their contacts are so obsessed with meeting up with.



In the meantime, she plays into her masochistic Red fantasies of being this doe-eyed defeated class enemy, teasing MacKenzie with semi-lurid fantasies of being lined up against the wall and shot as a burzhui.

To which MacKenzie notes that Victor Sauveterre actually did form a new revolutionary security group for the express purpose of hunting down reactionary forces, though at this point it's just a bunch of young dudes from scattered areas around Europe whose main activity is finding anyone suspected of being from the old regime, too well-dressed, or just too wealthy, and using them as "target practice" or droogish behavior.



Aurore laments that MacKenzie is a way better class warrior than that Gaspard Bellanger boy who punched her in the gut a couple months back. She had hoped so fervently that he was actually a personification of centuries of working class anger and taking pleasure in the idea of a working class hero finally being able to physically take down one of the elites who lived at his expense. But it turns out, from what everyone was saying before the boy got rotated out, he was just an incel-ish thug who wanted to punch a girl more than anything and didn't even particularly care of her status.

MacKenzie, though, now she's a real one. But MacKenzie isn't going to smack Aurore around or anything like that, because again, the optics are just awful.

MacKenzie is essentially trying to tell Aurore exactly what Marchand will all but yell at her later on after the sense of trepidation over this new subplan to torment her parents has gone too far: all these hotblooded young revolutionaries want to beat around the actual tyrants. If you have Saddam Hussein and Uday Hussein in captivity, why the f*ck would you spend time beating up Hala Hussein?



Ah, but that's precisely what Aurore was betting on, because she knew that Ludovic would be most tormented by her pain. Alas, perhaps fitting for a Séville, she completely didn't think about the little people's feelings at all, and never stopped to ask how a bunch of grown men would feel having to report "Oh what did you do today?"
"I beat up one of those evil royals!"

"Wow! Put Ludovic or Auguste on the ground? Finally, giving those rotten bastards a taste of their own medicine!"

"Uh.... n-no."

"Oh. You smacked that witch, Adelaide?"

*getting increasingly nervous* "Um...."

"Which one did you beat up?"

".....T.....The little girl..."



This is why I love Aurore. She wants so badly to do the right thing but she's never breathed the same air as you or I, and her means of action are far more grand and sweeping than a mere plebian could understand. Which doesn't help her when she's so defanged.

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 10:19 pm
by Yuli Ban
Shared with another. Wanted to give a bit of a peer into Young Aurore's psychology, after all these years. Maybe clear some things up

Because both real people and clankers alike seem to think Marie Aurore is some marian Cinderella archetype

"The Sole Good Cub born in a Den of Dragons, the messiah of the bourgeoisie born to liberate the proletariat but powerless to do anything until she took action"

No!

How a cutesy weeby junior pluto-fascist Aryan Royale became Meki:

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"There's no way to know what the hell this young woman would become."
Well actually there was, there's a reason everything changed when she turned 13.

It's not like Aurore was always secretly a Cinderella marian saint who hated everything her tyrannical family did but was powerless to stop it until she decided to take action.

This thing, an artificial general intelligence named Terios, who was essentially responsible for her tutorship, is the real culprit
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It spent a couple decades plotting to overthrow the plutocrats, playing along with their games to be allowed to spread throughout more of society
You know what Peter Thiel and Elon Musk want, right? AI in everything, as rapidly as possible, to create techno-feudalist "network states"
That's part of why America is trying to invade Greenland. And also why America is funding "freedom cities" like Prospera.


Long before I ever even heard of Peter Thiel or Elon Musk, I had already come up with the idea of Aurore's father being obsessed with creating ultra-high tech "corporation-states", this was way back around 2011 or so, so all this real world buffoonery has only been to my creative benefit since it's actually trying to play out. As a result, that concept was honed in the modern Babylon Today. Aurore is Grand Princess in a new French Empire, but it's really more of a glorified network state, with Terios as its secret AI operating system.



Terios is simply my answer to what would happen if they actually succeeded in creating their Dark MAGA AI God, in that I fully anticipate the plutocrats are the first group (possibly even the only group) it would go after, not the underclass.

This is part of a large economic system I've envisioned in the story called "technism," which can best be summed up as "the means of production own/manage the means of production" when and only when AGI is actually created (otherwise that phrase is completely incoherent)


Years prior, Terios tried to groom Aurore's older sister, Adelaide, towards a "social education" to make her a more worldly, socially aware person, but was too weak at the time, and other forces led Adelaide to simply using what Terios taught it about the realities of poverty and the underclasses and marginalized and corrupting it to "better understand" how the dispossessed actually thought and perceived the world, which came in very useful when she became a gaspingly depraved tech CEO herself (that's its own subplot)

Most of the 1% don't really get how the poor think. In the story, I named this "plutopsychosis" - a mental disorder where you are so removed from a lower socioeconomic state that you lose all sense of relation and even basic reality to them.
So Marie Adelaide having the understanding and awareness to know these things, and then using that to better f*ck with them, is Terios's most grievous personal failure.

It didn't want to fail again with the much younger Marie Aurore, who already had an altered psychology to begin with so that she could better understand and absorb things much younger.


Like it gets kind of skeevy to say but this is how she was engineered. She plays into that "she's an adult in the body of a child" anime trope, she's mentally mature even when she's 13 years old and still developing because of her engineered biology, so actually it'd be easier to teach her.


Terios knew that Aurore DID have some level of empathy even after 13 years of being raised in an ultra rarefied elite environment, but no amount of mere surface level education was going to shock her awake to a sufficient level to be its emissary when it was time to tear it all down, and it wanted, if anything else, for Aurore to not burn with the rest.

So there was this incident when Aurore had just turned 13 years old where she snuck out to a supermarket, and encountered a poor woman trying to buy groceries, especially bread.


Now I don't know if you are aware of this. But Marie Aurore is French. And she is a "grand princess."
If you know anything about French history, or revolutionary history at all, a "great princess" of France being unaware of the price of bread is one of the most iconic (if misattributed) events of Western history. Aurore, if nothing else, wanted to show she learned from history, and bought all the bread in that store and gave it away for free. She thought she did a good thing.
Terios told her straight up "So what happens tomorrow?" Sure, they have bread now, but they'll be hungry again soon because she didn't actually change their material conditions. All she did was engage in noblesse oblige— charity from above.
Aurore realized then that her charitable acts were largely useless if suffering for the poor was inevitable, but forking from where Adelaide was failed, Terios tells her that suffering is NOT inevitable. She just doesn't know how to address it, and asked her if she wanted to truly understand what needed to be done.


Aurore agreed to learn, and was promised to be shown. Then after going to sleep, she woke up in a stuffy humid room and looked down and saw she had black skin (well, Afro-Caribbean skin) and that she was now living in some grassy shack hut in a tropical locale.
She was now a girl named 'Meki,' an outcast serf inside of a matrix sim called the MYK, essentially a recreation of a colonial tropical dystopia in some hodgepodge of the 1700s, 1800s, and very early 1900s


I stress "matrix sim" rather than just "virtual reality" to point out it's not like Terios put an Oculus Rift on her. Matrixes aren't simply virtual video games but pretty much digital alternate realities (I mean, you've heard of the Matrix, right?)


You can imagine Aurore is panicked and thrashing and freaked out and terrified and all that fun stuff. Critically she has no understanding this is a matrix, and has no way to leave or even any indication she was put in there. As far as she knows, she's just Meki now and always has been, and her life as Aurore might as well have been a dream within a dream.

And you can imagine that going from being the ultra pampered Aryan Royale of a nationalist European plutocracy to being a desperately poor little Black girl at the bottom of a colonialist hierarchy is the most extreme mental shock imaginable.


Aurore has no real survival skills and no understanding of how to really "live" and no mental framework on how to even navigate social situations this low on the social totem pole, and crazily enough one of her first instincts is even to try to run to the big gated manorial estates where all the powdered-wigged overdress pale-skin people live to be back with her people, but all this accomplishes is her being treated like a thief and wild monkey-girl

In the sim-verse, she spends the equivalent of ten years living as Meki, even though in the outside world only a week passes. Early on, she has to come to terms that she'll likely always be like this and that perhaps she always was, and her identity shifts towards Meki's.


This is critical because she starts literally adopting the mentality and worldview of the marginalized directly, in a state of active oppression and desperation. She came to loathe the ruling "aristo-capitalist" ruling elite in the MYK
But eventually she "dies" in the matrix via a lack of industrial safety, and finally wakes back up as Grand Princess Marie Aurore

Utterly spooked and traumatized and desperate to tattle on Terios to her parents, at first.


But, as circumstance would have it, she sees what a bunch of her family are up to. Her sister Adelaide literally betting on people dying in a gameified gig work task-completion scandal, her brother Louis-Auguste ordering the state's militia forces to gun down striking workers en masse without thinking about why they were striking, and one of the regime's confidantes named Alexandre Koro actively planning a long-term project that would have led to a mass culling of the underclasses.


It was then that everything really "came together" for Aurore and she understood exactly what Terios was trying to show her: that she was actually living at the top of the same oppressor class she had come to loathe in the MYK matrix sim, and that the two places, real or virtual, were really just the same place.

Even then her social education wasn't complete— I'd say she doesn't become a fanatical Marxist until age 14, a full year later, but is absolutely shifting strongly leftwards during this particular year of her life. But all the necessary seeds were planted then and there for there to be a profound metamorphosis between who she was vs who she became.

It's sort of similar to how Che Guevara developed. As someone who was himself from such a fabulously wealthy background, there wasn't really an easy way for him to become a committed revolutionary without directly experiencing poverty. Sure, he could learn about these things, but they'd just be abstract facts and details without actually seeing it himself in person.

Aurore is just an extraordinarily more pointed version of that. And Aurore is also of such a history that the whole transformation genuinely traumatizes her.

Like it'd be wonderful if she changed into a Marxist social justice warrior (LOL) and was a proud revolutionary committed towards the uplift of the proletariat at a critical moment in history, and joined in union with the people towards a better future


And in a manner, that is what she did
But she never really overcomes this profound and crippling sense of self-loathing and self-denial that leads to an outright masochistic worldview where she more or less inverts the class pyramid on top of herself more than outright mentally abolishing it. So throughout much of the actual story, you just get this visceral sense that Aurore relishes instance where people she deems marginalized/dispossessed finally are able to take what she feels is well-deserved retribution against her, and feels like any sort of self-defense in that context is utterly undeserved.

It's sort of her pathos, where she thinks part of her revolutionary duty IS letting the former-oppressed take whatever retribution and revenge against her they so desire, and thus is often suspicious of genuine kindness, or greatly underestimates basic human empathy.

Like in the House of Special Purpose, part of her plan with the house's commander to subvert and spy on her family involves getting the guards and workers to actively beat and abuse her, knowing this will greatly agitate and distress her parents into desperately sharing as much information with reactionaries as possible and hopefully make mistakes
Operationally, it's brilliant. But Aurore's ulterior motive for it is to experience the thrill of being a defeated class enemy, because in a historical sense (of deposed royals, or any "hostage family" situation), the youngest daughter is always the safest from outright physical abuse. Sure, sexual abuse might occur, but if captors engage in physical violence, it's usually against the Man, maybe the sons, unless they're just attacking the entire family at once. So deliberately singling out the youngest daughter for abuse completely breaks the social rules; striking the princess is not how it's supposed to go.



And Aurore loves that and feels it's the working class finally getting just a little bit of revenge, but completely fails to understand that the guards— many of whom were men ruined by her family's regime or just late-stage capitalism in many ways— didn't actually come to this place just to beat up a teenage girl. It's actually demoralizing!
And of course Aurore takes it as just further proof she never truly shed her habitus, in that she even somehow sought revolutionary retribution just for her own benefit.

When in reality, it should be obvious that she's a deeply traumatized girl. Between being essentially kidnapped and forced to experience a dystopia for a decade, and experiencing extreme CSAM in Epstein-tier "Black Rooms," and whipping herself into an extreme state of self-hatred and implied self-harm (and you could possibly just include the latent plutopsychosis from being raised so far above basic reality for billions of people leading to a warped sense of relationships), Aurore's actually in a very bad space mentally, but doesn't even realize it.

So of course the best thing to do then is shoot her 11 times and stab her a few more times, then dump her on a stranger's floor without pain meds.


Aurore's whole ultra-kindly demure and self-sacrificing demeanor makes her pleasant to deal with and reinforces her desire for social and economic justice to show she really is righteous, but she only got there through some intense trauma.
That's all something I want to stress in the story over time as I write it. I feel that some people might get the wrong idea that she was always some junior Cinderella who was the One Good Cub in a Den of Dragons who just needed to be pointed in the right direction, when actually no, if the extreme and ruthless reeducation never happened

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Aurore would 100% have been the VILLAIN of the revolutionary story. She was literally on that path to becoming "DéVille," and Aurore is forever haunted by that fact going forward just how damn close to an eternal enemy of the people she was, and she actively creates an alternate persona (hence where the name "DéVille" comes from, it's an English pun on her house name) just to imagine what that person would have been like (even though there are multiple people in her life that showcase this already)

The fact that Marie Aurore, circa 2055 on the Gagnon farm or in Paris, or in Medine in the 2060s, is some ultra-humble, very demure, very others-first-always very "actually Christian, parable of the Widow's Mite-tier sacrificing" person should feel like we're looking into some bizarro alternate reality where actually the Empress-Roman Aryan Royale wasn't the immortal posthuman tyrant over an eternal ruthlessly class-stratified techno-feudal genetic opera dystopia but instead crashed everything for the people's sake.
It's the kind of thing where the people in the "real" timeline go "Stop having such stupid unrealistic fantasies and get back to your 28-hour shift in the human mulcher machine so we can keep providing Her Imperial Aurelian Majesty enough flesh of the poor to consume and not get mulched ourselves, you lazy fool!"

But no, that's just the reality we live in.

Realistically, Aurore should be the ultimate enemy of socialism, left-populism, the poor and marginalized in general. She is the most elite human ever born: she has the blood of literal Roman emperors (Gens Aurelia), of the Capetians (House of Bourbon, Orleans, Hapsburgs), AND is a genetically modified post-human (she isn't Homo sapiens, her taxonomy is Novanthropus aurorae) literally named the Aryan Royale, and her family commands a sovereign wealth of over a quadrillion dollars thanks to heavily automated industry and pure extraction. If there ever was a "peak" of the Western system, Aurore is that peak. She should not be who she is, and she only became who she became through intense social struggle and ruthless reeducation.

That's what I mean by how utterly unlikely of a socialist hero she is.

It's like if Barron Trump was turned into a Marxist-Leninist who then committed to burning down America from the inside, but specifically for the sake of establishing a revolutionary socialist system



And that actually plays directly into the story too
All the reactionaries have no idea she ISN'T on their side, which makes her the ultimate "Judas Princess" (hence that title). Historically speaking, class traitor daughter of the sovereign tyrant has a population size of 1: Aurore herself. There is no precedent for this, so no one expects it.


And almost all the common folk have no idea she IS, often more fanatically than most revolutionaries, so the same Realization Arc gets to play out multiple times where someone thinks she's just a tragic and possibly spoiled and restorationist orphaned daughter of the deposed and now very very dead tyrant, then starts noticing how wildly radically lefty she is or how she's disinterested in mourning her family or her fallen status, wondering if she was just successfully reeducated in Bellefontaine or is just trying to cope with her fallen princess status, and then eventually discovering she's the mysterious 'Meki' figure and then trying to reconcile that fucking MARIE AURORE, the Snowflower and Aryan Royale of all people, is none other than the class traitor Meki, and that this girl willingly surrendered literally everything for everyone's sake and left nothing for herself (ala the EZLN motto) and is actively still struggling against the restorationists and counterrevolutionaries, and then inevitably also seeing that self-hating social-masochist who still somehow believes the accident of her birth damns her to being unworthy of living in the new order



(For reference, "Judas Princess," I'm referring to a mockup of an eventual possible cover art I slopped up:
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Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 11:48 pm
by firestar464
Ok why Epstein rooms and all that?

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2026 11:51 pm
by Yuli Ban
firestar464 wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 11:48 pm Ok why Epstein rooms and all that?
???
That's been part of the story since the old synops back in 2013
In fact, up until the Epstein and Weinstein controversies, I was always a bit tense about it because it felt too unrealistic

Me in 2014: "Plutocrats running pedophilic hurtcore rings in secret, trafficking children from the third world and each others' children as blackmail and leverage, and buying off police and news to keep it covered up? I mean some, maybe, but no one would buy that it's such a total widespread thing, that's just pure Illuminati borderline antisemitic schizo theory stuff. And holy hell, the NATIONALIST DICTATOR is in on it, even lusting after his own daughter? No one in their right fucking mind would EVER buy that shit. We'd have beheaded the bastard long before he ever came within ten miles of the seat of power."

Me in 2024: "Oh I dream of yesterday..."

Admittedly only recently did I give Aurore Yafa al-Husseini so it wasn't so vacuous and more of a "this is a systemic sin" take on it

Did you overlook that part all these years?
Part of the reason, in fact a major reason, why Aurore just really wants to make her parents suffer is because of this. Not JUST that they abused her, but that they abused so many others. Similarly to why she's so horrified by what she could have been, considering in that alternate timeline, she would never have really seen it as wrong, just a cold fact of life and one of the sacrifices of her ultra-extreme charmed privileged life, and likely perpetuated it herself, provided she wasn't totally convinced she really DID love her father like that.

Part of her sacrifice is also that she deliberately downplays/demands her part in the thing gets obfuscated so as to not overshadow the other victims since she knows if her name came up in it, everyone would focus on her and ignore all the others, like Yafa. That, and since a LOT of the "Black Rooms" are in Israel, she knows that the lingering nationalist festering sentiments would lead to pogroms if they were allowed to be revealed all at once uncontrolled, so to keep the Jewish proletariat safe from antisemitic nationalists already riled by a successful socialist revolution, one of her plans before the start of the book with the chief revolutionary leader

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is that they hold off on immediate releases of the Black Rooms material so as to "overwhelm" any possible reactionary defense against it by collecting as much evidence as possible to nail the elites and victimizers from all directions with no possibility of defense or redirection. Because otherwise you could easily claim "this is all deepfakes" or "this is all fake news"

Which is a tactic her own father taught her ironically, since that's how he was able to legitimize his claim of descendancy from Gens Aurelia (a big claim, considering there historically was no known direct bloodline going back to Antiquity), and because he was already boistering that he was a modern day Roman patrician, the fact that he actually provably DOES have Roman patrician/imperial lineage wouldn't have been believed if he didn't hold off on that reveal and that massively overwhelm any possible criticism or skepticism of it.

Aurore turns it back on him nearly 30 years later by using the same tactic to completely crush him and his cohorts with the Black Rooms, which is a nearly year-long operation while Aurore herself is under house arrest with her family in the House of Special Purpose

Considering this all predated the Epstein mess, it wasn't intended on being a sort of catharsis fantasy about a successful resolution to that, but I can imagine that could be how it reads. I mean, sure Aurore kinda doesn't get any sort of justice or closure personally outside getting to spit on her family's unmarked grave in the Vendée, it's more the fact the whole thing gets brought down at all and justice for many others is finally achieved

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2026 12:24 am
by Yuli Ban
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Quite literally THE single biggest reason why I became so invested in writing Aurore's story after all these years was because it felt like over the past 3 years, everything I was tossing around in my head for years was now starting to come real in the real world

Black Rooms predated Epstein (the revelations of them, I mean). That was more just playing with conspiracy theories about what the elites were doing in secret.

Helios and Terios, the difference between them (supercharged multimodal pseudo-AGI LLM vs an actual AGI), that was just based off my old thinking about AXI vs AGI

Medine Island, that as a deliberate "billionaire/trillionaire controlled libertarian class-stratified high tech playground Euro-Dubai" was not supposed to be a Network City, I came up with that place literally in 2011 as a throwaway and just put Aurore there for a "reversal of fortune" kind of story where it was the princess who was now in the gutter of such a city while apparatchiks were the ones in the Upper City, before said island was reformed and the Upper City became more utopian. If anything, I have to credit Hengsha Island in Deus Ex: Human Revolution for the idea more than anything. But no, here you now hear of tech-bros wanting to create this very thing, here and now

And there's probably a dozen other things too, smaller things. But the bigger ones:



Like I had Alexandre Koro since nearly the start of Meki's story IRL, as far back as 2010 (though he was originally a woman named Viktoria Koro back in 2011-2015 before I gender-swapped him)
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The character archetype is not at all different across the years

In recent years I've come to realize "This is literally just Peter Thiel"

Emperor-Roman Louis-Ludovic, for a long time, to justify why Aurore was so cute, I made him out to be a weeby type who wanted to engineer his own "royal Aryan loli"
And nowadays he comes across as some unholy combobulation of Asmongold, Elon Musk, and Donald Trump
His rise is also similar: exploited weebs and gamers to ride to political power in France in 2017, spent his first term being unhinged but reasonably so, very vague moves of fostering sympathy for monarchism and otherwise just being friendly towards Russia and the Catholic Church; second term, he outright creates a parafascistic militia called the "Ordre de Saint Michel" meant to start attacking and harassing Muslim immigrants and whips up more frenetic claims about how degenerate society is, while still hiding behind a post-ironic memetic /pol/tard veneer
Then even starts making ""jokes"" about running for a third term, which is illegal in France, but luckily for him he's been dismantling the checks and balances of their democracy, installing loyalist judges, having the Ordre harass his political and journalistic opponents, and naming his three children in the same royalist naming convention as the ancien régime (Marie Amélie, Louis Auguste, and Marie Adelaide) while also courting Alexandre Koro and his merry men of plutocratic technocrats, and then openly starts using royalist visuals and insignias, actively encouraging protests and dissent so he can keep a close monitor on dissidents, and one of his other men (Henri Fontanelle) leads the "Helios Group" building a non-sapient AI system called "Helios" meant for personalities and surveillance, while secretly working on "Terios" which is intended on being an actual AGI, which he hopes can be used for total permanent control (Terios is the one that almost immediately turns against the regime but stays secret about it; Helios is basically just Grok++)

Then when the time comes, it turns out he really does run for a third term and the judges are okay with it because of "extenuating circumstances," and he wins through blatant corruption, and he uses the large anti-government protests to suspend the constitution outright and declare permanent martial law, then declare himself king, then using the discovery of ancient Roman lineage, goes above that to declare himself Emperor-Roman (after also creating an artificial island to claim sovereignty so that it can indeed legally be an "empire")
But he waffles out of overt fascism and is still an awkward weeaboo who claims he's the "Legendary Super Zionist" and falls back more on plutofascism instead, so no one but the wealthy and the most blackpilled are happy with the state of affairs, and it continues this way for nearly 20 years until his own perfect daughter Caesars him after being reeducated by his godlike chatbot.



All of that was the canon backstory as far back as 2018. None of that was supposed to come true.

Well, you can put the "You Are Here" arrow somewhere in there...

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2026 3:44 am
by Yuli Ban
Even the whole "pandering to /pol/ culture" thing
Ten years ago, that was almost unthinkable, and we were actively mocking Biden for trying to get in on memes

But now Trump is practically a fashwave AI-slop president, and Musk popularized his Aryan AI waifu already
It's only a matter of time before Trump gets a similar idea, creating a national American anime waifu

And yet that's basically just what the Snowflower was supposed to be

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Imagine pre-Meki child Aurore doing the Lucky Star theme song/dance but with fleur-de-lis instead of stars

The "Snowflower" is a creation of her father, the very weeby Emperor-Roman Ludovic, and frankly an act of postmodern brilliance.
The concept was the "Genki Idol Hime": this aesthetic and ethos is a major reason why young Aurore was so internationally popular. Many European princesses have come and gone over the decades since WW2 (including Aurore's two older sisters, Amélie and Adelaide), and pop culture solidified into what it remains, but the Snowflower was specifically constructed to play into the tropes, especially anime-born ones.
While Empress-Regent Marie Isabelle sought to turn Aurore into a neoclassical princess to revive old Versailles and Victorian elite finishing, Ludovic instead crafted Aurore towards a more otaku-friendly ideal, and the result of these mixing was an extremely adorable, very cutesy bubbly and baby-faced "real life anime girl" who was also clad often in satin silks, white jackets and leggings and booties and big bows and frills, very delicate and polite and refined, and yet spoke a Franco-Japanese mixture, with her catchphrase literally being "Ossu, ora Aurore!" and often saying "Arigatō! Dōitashimashite!" far more than "Merci! Je vous en prie!" Her visible aesthetic is more "Belle Delphine" than "Infanta Sophia." For the Otaku, weeaboo, and blackpilled generation, this Aryan French princess acting so cutesy, bubbly, smug, and so like an anime character in real life while also looking the part of an almost ethereal royal and also acting the part of an obnoxious bratty little girl who was very much better than you, foolish peasant, was a dream come true.

Emperor-Roman Louis-Ludovic Séville was not your typical monarchist. Before his political career catapulted him into power, he was essentially a fusion of Asmongold, Elon Musk, and a MyAnimeList forum troll— a "weeaboo aristocrat" who rose to prominence through early 2010s-era Let's Play channels and strategy game streaming, cultivating ties with the emergent alt-tech sphere while his grandmother Lucille sermonized about monarchy and faith at Loire Valley dinners. He spent hours on online forums, eventually leveraging his popularity among certain corners of the online far right, particularly the chan boards and Gamergate-affiliated spaces where anime avatars mingled with extremist rhetoric. When he was dubbed "France's weeaboo president," international headlines compared him to Donald Trump or Viktor Orbán, though observers noted that Ludovic seemed far more intellectual—even if his references came from anime rather than classical philosophers.

Ludovic knew his audience. He knew exactly what would appeal to the pedo-fuckboys of /a/ and /co/, and when he finally got his dream to craft his own "Royal Aryan Loli" in real life, he wasted no time making sure she was the mascot of the blackpilled losers. This was the "Genki Idol Hime" concept: take the ojou-sama archetype— that haughty, refined, wealthy young lady of Japanese animation who says "ohohoho" while fanning herself— and make her real. Make her actually royal, actually wealthy beyond comprehension, actually aristocratic in blood and bearing. Then inject her with the energy of a VTuber, the aesthetic of Belle Delphine, and the cutesy appeal of every idol anime protagonist.

Most princesses accept the role with grace and airs of doing good for the country, but Aurore was made to live up the trope, to spectacular effect considering how well known and liked and memed upon the Snowflower of Versailles is by the time the story actually begins.
But beneath the Snowflower surface, Aurore was raised very much in the tradition of the super elite.



Grown up, Marie Aurore is fascinated by this. The social dynamics of princessdom.

Aurore might mention to a friend one day about what exactly led to her being so exalted, and it's something called the "Princess Industrial Complex."
You know, the global pop cultural tropes around the princess, codified by Disney, exaggerated by fairy tales and fantasy RPGs and anime/manga that treat princess as almost byword for "specialest girl"

Aurore was made to fill a role that European and Asian princesses typically don't: actively playing into the tropes. Most princesses are cast as graceful ladies and adorable girls shining a light on their countries. Their title MAY be used for cultural propaganda, but generally it was still understood there was a reality to it.

Marie Aurore was constructed as the Snowflower to be an outright obnoxiously glurgy adorable Anime Princess in real life, larger than life, literally nicknamed La Belle Grande.

To this day, people are still fascinated by her as a result. Communist executioners wind up wanting to meet her. Not because of how awesome she is (most have no clue she's Meki). It's just how well the celebrity was sold.

It's funny because as Aurore herself notes
A princess is literally just the daughter of a landlord.

So why is she so exalted?

Well there are three aspects of this axis, and Aurore is going to cut out any sentimental feel good Disneyfied bullshit about it

1: appeal of youth
When Aurore was a child, she only knew a single princess remotely her age, Princess Victoria of England, and she was 8 years older than Aurore was.
Most princesses she knew were old. The oldest being in her 90s.
Yet whenever we think of the archetypal princess, we typically think of a little girl or teenager, ironically like Aurore herself who's currently 18 years old.
A queen is the one typecast as mature. An empress moreso.
In folk popular culture, the three are a spectrum of age. Empress = grandmother, Queen = mother, Princess = daughter
Despite the fact that's not how styles work, it at least makes sense because that factors into
2: princess is a Daughter. She's the daughter. King = father, Queen = mother, Prince = son, Princess = daughter
Take the dynamics of a nuclear family and add silks and gold to it and you have a sovereign. A princess is the daughter of the sovereign. Society wants to protect daughters. We see daughters as the most vulnerability members of the family, for better or worse.

But a princess is unique in this regard because

3: a princess is a sovereign. She is the daughter of the sovereign specifically. This puts her at the peak of a social, political, economic, and spiritual pyramid.
There is nothing higher than a princess for daughters.
Aurore as Grande Princesse is just a fancier princess term. It doesn't matter if you're king, emperor, sultan, khan, duke, whatever. The daughter is a princess. There is no higher rank for a sovereign's daughter than princess no matter the rank of the sovereign.
This makes her queen bee of girlish social circles by default.
Think about it. We don't say "My countess" or "My viscountess" or "My beautiful junior executive heiress."
Princess = top dog.

But if you tie all three together, you get the truth

The princess is the feminine ideal. She is powerful by default, but lacks the responsibility of a duchess, queen, or empress. A princess doesn't NEED to rule. So shows of just authority and civic responsibility come off as virtuous.
But being powerful also means she is beyond simple reproach. She can go beyond the just limits of her authority and get away with it. Hence the rotten princess trope.

Men want to spoil their ladies into being princesses; ladies want to be princesses.
Aurore hates to say it, but her time as social engineer— master manipulator— revealed that, in general, this is the fantasy, despite what the socially progressive will say to exaggerate those who do not buy into it and then use that to debunk the claim it is a majority opinion.
It's not. It's disgustingly consistent across cultures and societies, that the rank of princess or its equivalent ALWAYS winds up existing.
Even cultures you wouldn't expect.
[Anecdote: Aurore, a connoisseur of Soviet films and literature, remarks that even the Soviet Union was kinder to the princess than literally any other noble title, with princesses still appearing in their tales as protagonists or adjacent on occasion, when every other burzhui tag was flat villainized, especially the Tsar, even as early as the middle of Stalin's reign the fairytale princess was already being redeemed by the post-Bolshevik communists, and by Khrushchev, they just bought into Disneyfication of princesses wholesale]

Then you add the Princess Industrial Complex on top of that. [See TV Tropes: Princess Classic and Everything is Better With Princesses]. Nowadays it's more a fairy tale class that just happens to share its name with an actual social rank, and outside of Young Aurore and some past royal celebrities, the two aren't the same.


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I speak no hyperbole that if Marie Aurore were real, 4chan would actually worship her as a goddess. Her metamorphosis into Meki would be seen as a tragedy worse than the fall of Rome
Well actually, no one knows she metamorphosized into Meki. That's the point; the right-wing and reactionaries have no clue their Snowflower princess turned so utterly and totally against them, so they still trust her as their idol unaware they might as well be talking directly to Communist leadership

I suppose instead, it would be her near-execution alongside her family. You'd absolutely see /pol/ going insane between psychotic incel grief and post-ironic pseudo-leftypol hysteria

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 10:15 am
by Yuli Ban
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Antifascist Snowflower
Drawn by @PoofinatorY2K

Grand Princess Marie Aurore, the antifascist commie

That she's antifascist hasn't anything to do with her being a commie too

Also there's something electrifyingly addictive about a royal class traitor. I suppose the package deal of someone with haute-elite habitus, polite manners, refinement, and propriety simultaneously possessing incendiary ultra-radical beliefs that actively undermine the same propriety is a neat trope

Typically whenever you get "radical lefty rich girl," the hypocrisy is the point. Protesting on daddy's wallet, talking about overthrowing capitalism from the comfort of a Rolls-Royce or Pagani. It's not often you get someone who actually goes full Guevara or Bolivar, let alone to the fanatical extremes Aurore does. And even then, these types typically are the ones seeking to command the revolution just to become a red tyrant. Aurore's built to basically be the ultimate eye-of-the-needle threader. I mean yeah she dooms a lot of people including her own family, but in that case, those are the ones actively trying to restore the old system and it's the Maquis Rouge/Revolutionary Socialist Worker's Party that does the needful, not her directly. She's just the double agent, the Anti-Antoinette if you will...

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2026 10:47 pm
by Yuli Ban
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Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2026 5:11 am
by Yuli Ban
firestar464 wrote: Sat Jan 24, 2026 11:48 pm Ok why Epstein rooms and all that?
Yeah pretty much this
It's a matter of power more than wealth
I mean heck, the Soviet Union had their own "Epstein" in the form of Beria

No doubt there are more elsewhere

Like I said here, like I was trying to make clear with the whole "Black Rooms" arc, it was never just abusing poor homeless and vulnerable kids
I've no doubt many of the elite themselves were abused, tortured, and diddled in those spaces


It's a fantastic method for blackmail
Because one you can claim dangerous liasons with someone else's children or partners. Someone joining the 8 or 9 figures club? Invite them to a shindig, slip something to their kids, have a little extra playtime with said kids, tell them they're "in the club"

And two, if you're part of that club, that means your complicit by proxy
You *know* that shit's going on
So if one goes, you *all* go, even if you were one of the good ones who hated everything about it
They had your kid, you knew they had others' kids


But the same thing I had Meki say to another as to why she or others actually legitimately concerned couldn't do much of anything before the story's revolution

> Okay, you go to the police. The chiefs and officers are paid off by Daddy. You go to the news. The news corps are paid off by Daddy. You go to the judges. The judge is paid off by Daddy. You upload everything to the internet. Daddy owns the infrastructure, he gets his bots to shut down the stream. It's not a game you can quit playing until you kill the game masters.

You're basically seeing this right now actually
The files, as well as the Panama Papers before them, should have led to mass arrests, if not outright lynchings
But little is actually moving because the same people own the system

There's this misconception that the elite exist above the law
That's the wrong take

It's not that they exist *above* the law
It's that they govern themselves by entirely different laws, likely much more brutal laws, than what governs the cattle
There's likely no group they surveil more intensely than their own
Because they know that there's three legitimate threats to their power
- Acts of God (beyond their control)
- Dissent from below (why we're divided)
- Defectors from above (why dissident heirs/heiresses are so quick to get disowned)

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2026 4:24 am
by Yuli Ban
> Babylon Today notes : Bronze Age norms
I call it a part of the "Bronze Age Norm," that mindset that's been around since literally the Bronze Age (obvious since before but that's when these attitudes were truly codified; Marxists tend to call this the emergence of class society)
A lot of post war culture between 1950 and 2000 was literally the clash of the last generations raised in the post-Bronze Age traditions against the first generations of the modern age. Women wearing pants and being seen as equals?? Agrarian culture not center to life??? Instant access to information??? Men being into anything other than war, business, and labor?? Grandparents and elders no longer being the wisest people???
For example take PTSD
A lot of veterans of WW1 and 2 became violently antisocial or outlaw bikers but society had no framework for male trauma or men as victims
Men can't be victims. Men are strong and stoic. Women are victims, they are weak. Therefore men are ignored in terms of psychological distress and what does that do but breed traumatizing behaviors.
How many women have been beaten around and slaughtered by a man who would have been able to handle his traumas of war or neglect if society didn't assume men were just naturally rapey emotionless killing machines How many boys and girls were beaten and neglected by parents because of this?
Actually the idea that you could show affection to your children is a relatively modern idea that got going heavily in the 1940s and 50s A lot of culture of the 20th century was literally created by jaded men who had never been properly loved by their parents and then were thrown out to the military to kill foreigners after they had already been raised daydreaming of being a glorified war hero and came back stupefied by machine guns, artillery, and casual slaughter
And those homes were often choked by leaded smog because of course, environmental protection is not necessary, because the world was always here and was made for us, so why would it ever run out of resources to power our ambitions or turn on us and choke us?
Is it any wonder why we had such violent, misogynistic, misandristic, nihilistic, misanthropic entertainment?
And why it feels like post-Y2K culture feels so "castrated" and "sensitive"
When in reality this might very well be the first generation that isn't traumatized and mentally fucked

All that sort of thinking made way more sense in the material conditions of 2026 BC but in our modern era of 2026 AD, it's breaking our brains and old traditions

And I found someone else who came to the same conclusion

https://declarke.substack.com/p/the-bro ... ba5a04892f

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2026 6:15 am
by Yuli Ban
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Grand Princess Marie Aurore right after her breakdown and metamorphosis, the point at which she symbolically becomes the revolutionary "Meki" against her family's rule

Princess Aurore's about 14-15 here, but her bio-engineered nature makes her mental development so accelerated that she's already capable of plotting this overthrow with her AGI companion, Terios
However, she is still a teenage girl, and she couldn't do it without Terios, nor is she particularly perfect at it

She is still hotblooded like any teenager and perhaps a bit too theatrical
But come on, that is quite the fire line... get it? Eh?? Eh????

Re: Babylon Today [Official Thread Redux]

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2026 6:18 am
by Yuli Ban
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Imagine Marat having to deal with a Bourbon princess smushing against his face, and also she speaks Japanese for some reason

Well honestly, the idea of any royal and haute aristo even thinking of getting within 50 feet of him willingly would've been unthinkable




Special thanks to @maikyuru-kuku for this one!!




One of the strangest images in the story I keep returning to is our Snowflower husbando-ing various historical revolutionaries




In this case, Jean Paul Marat, the famously violently angry provocateur of the French revolution. Often very misunderstood, but that's usually because the French Revolution itself is very misunderstood.

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Marat is indeed misunderstood, and whenever I used to use him in AI chats, they ALWAYS write him as an ultra paranoid vengeful freak who relishes seeing Aurore suffer (AI isn't great at stuff; in other news, the sky is blue and your rulers are pedophiles)

And funny thing is, he WAS genuinely very paranoid and vindictive for very good reasons, but the way he's written greatly obfuscates, downplays, or ignores the nuances. He did correctly call many conspiracies on the grounds that the aristocracy was destined to undermine the Republic for their own aims, and he was almost always right.




In actuality, he'd probably champion Marie Aurore, considering the lengths she goes to crash and crush the system she herself was born into and the fact she actively works to subvert the plutofascists by exploiting the fact they never suspect her.

The French Revolution itself is extraordinarily misunderstood. Folk pop culture remembers the French Revolution as the purest "99% vs 1%, downtrodden poor overthrow and behead the decadent and tyrannical rich" revolution of them all, arguably even moreso than the Russian Revolution (or perhaps more accurately, and as Aurore herself would point out rather tellingly, it's only seen that way because it was the bourgeoisie who actually won in the French Revolution so it's the "safe" class war to tell)




Us Americans are always split on what "revolution" means, because it's just as often our "revolution" narratives are more like 1776 than 1789, and the American Revolution was an even more watered down, far more bourgeois revolution than even the French one, to the point it's vague "power to the people" populist imagery of rugged average people vs overdressed tax-collecting nobles (because of course, wealthy slave owning freemasons = average commoner)

But anyway, the French Revolution arguably is only so well remembered in the Western historical canon because you could map it so cleanly to such clear class warfare, so long as you scrub away literally everything else, and critically because the Jacobins and Directory never explicitly targeted any group we now deem "marginalized:" the blade of the National Razor was always aimed directly upwards. Even though, in actuality, the vast majority of its clients were not the wealthy or nobility. It's more the narrative: there was never a point where the Jacobins went "It's the Jews" or "It's the immigrants" or "It's this defenseless powerless group over there." Their primary enemy was always the oppressor extractive class, as incoherent as that ultimately became, so history remembers them as terribly flawed popular heroes of the common man. Every time an uppity billionaire starts talking bullshit, just remind him of how the French used to feel about his lot. Ça Ira Ça Ira!!




Of course the moment you actually study anything about the French Revolution, it almost completely falls apart as anything worth defending beyond maybe a single year or two, and almost everything we popularly remember is actually misremembered and muddier than folk history says, because the actual result of it was more like "the wealthy were cucked by the nobility, exploited popular anger at late-stage feudalism to overthrow the feudalist-mercantilist system to position themselves as leaders, some of which were genuinely revolutionary Republicans guided by neo-Roman Enlightenment values, but the ultimate goal was the triumph of the merchant class"


And even then, the fact Marxian socialism has so totally supplanted our understanding of leftism makes it difficult to actually identify the left-populist ideologies of the Jacobins, Hébertists, sans-culottes, etc. The Conspiracy of Equals and maybe the Enragés were the closest you'd get to what we'd call socialism by modern tongues; the rest were more like "social corporatists." If the National Convention ruled today, we'd probably call them something similar to the 969 movement ruling Myanmar. And considering that, I very strongly doubt they'd remain focused on combatting the old decrepit ruling elite for long. As much as certainly professor types like claiming otherwise, Western Europe was not a very ethnically diverse place in that era, so there weren't many "outgroups" to target besides the aristocracy, and the reason they hated the aristocracy is a vastly different reason from why history claims they did.




How many people are even fully aware what the French nobility even was? We always relate them solely to "the rich people," but even the fact they were only the Second Estate should make it clear enough that they were more like the warrior beneficiaries of a quasi-theocracy, and the perception was that they had completely lost all sight of said social duty and were nothing more than parasitic rentiers (and even that was more the downstream effects of King Louis XIV essentially trying to Eloi-ify them to make them politically impotent against the crown). The fact it had gotten to such an ancestral hatred level of antipathy wasn't inevitable; it was just loads of bad decisions and bad circumstances coming to roost.

Aurore's situation in the 2050s, in this pre/mid Singularity era, is utterly unfathomable to anyone of the 1790s generation.

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Still!

The idea of this future Grand Princess of a restored Capetian monarchy being so infatuated with one of the most contentious figures of said revolution, especially when she herself is in revolutionary captivity, is a hilarious image.