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Re: Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:52 pm
by caltrek
Kind of ironic that the paranoid conspiracy theory has it that white workers are to be replaced. As always, the culprits are made put to be immigrants, with little or no attention paid to mechanization (now being robots and AI).

Re: Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:49 am
by wjfox

Re: Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:16 am
by Ozzie guy
I want to start tracking Technological Unemployment.

I feel like this isn't the best thread for it but regardless...

US Employment Rate

In December 60.10%
In January 60.20%

Australia Employment Rate

In December 64.3%
In January 64.03%


Global Employment rate probably best but I can't easily find it.

Lowest US has been since 1948 aka covid crash is 51.30

So low 50s = $hit hitting the fan.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/125 ... 20employed.







Now my mind questions if there is a better metric akin to hours worked but regardless using employment rate seems like a good enough metric.

Re: Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:11 pm
by funkervogt
The COVID-19 pandemic didn't cause the expected boost in automation.
Wonks had plenty of reason to worry. Recessions cause many companies’ revenues, but not wages, to fall, making workers less affordable. Some previous downturns had produced bursts of job-killing automation, depriving people of work and leaving them at least temporarily on the economic scrapheap. Covid seemed to pose an extra threat to workers. People get sick; robots do not. Past pandemics, research suggests, have hastened automation.

More than two years on, however, it is hard to find much evidence of job-killing automation. Rather than workers complaining about a shortage of jobs, bosses complain about a shortage of workers. Across the oecd club of mostly rich countries, there is an unusually large number of unfilled vacancies, even as recession nears. In many countries the wages of the lowest-paid, the people thought to be most at risk of losing their job to a robot, are rising the fastest.

To test the doomsters’ predictions more directly, we dug into occupational data for America, Australia and Britain. Borrowing a methodology developed by the Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis, we divided occupations into “routine” and “nonroutine” buckets. Routine jobs involve repetitive movements, which can be more easily learned by a machine or computer, making them in theory more vulnerable to automation.

Over time, and especially during past recessions, routine jobs have declined as a share of the workforce (see chart). But during the pandemic the rate of decline actually slowed. In the two years before the pandemic automatable jobs in Australia, as a share of the total, fell by 1.8 percentage points. In the two subsequent years they fell by 0.6 percentage points. We find similar trends in Britain, though a recent coding change makes analysis trickier. America today has slightly more routine jobs than you would expect based on pre-pandemic trends.
https://www.yahoo.com/now/pandemic-triu ... 49222.html

Re: Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:33 am
by wjfox

Re: Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:10 am
by wjfox

Re: Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:08 pm
by Ozzie guy
US Employment Rate
In January 60.20%
In February 60.20%

Australia Employment Rate
In January 64.1%
In February 64.3%

I am starting from January 2023 so each time a year passes I can replace months for that year with the yearly average. It is also after covid recovery and before AI has any impact.

Lowest US has been since 1948 aka covid crash is 51.30

So low 50s = $hit hitting the fan.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-sta ... yment-rate
https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/employment-rate

Re: Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:49 pm
by caltrek
Or, alternatively, signs of an aging population with effective pension and social security plans in place. Technology may thus be helping in the transition in that a lower participation rate in the labor force might very well be sustainable.

I do like your approach as a rough indicator of what may be happening.

Re: Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:42 pm
by weatheriscool
I think we need to rethink the economics and refocus on UBI and do the basics with machines and A.i. WE either do this or most people will end up living in boxes on the side of the street.

Re: Technological Unemployment News & Discussions

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 3:05 pm
by wjfox