Ukraine War Watch Thread

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U.S. officials now acknowledge that last night's Russian attack on Kiev damaged the Patriot missile system that was defending the city, though they won't say how bad it is.

Sounds like the attack was designed to target the Patriot system. It's one of the most expensive and advanced weapons the West has given Ukraine.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/16/politics ... index.html
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Readers should be cautios about taking at face value allegations that have the potential to spread disinformation.
UK MOD.
Ukraine denied on Wednesday that a Russian hypersonic missile had destroyed a US-made Patriot missile defence system during an airstrike on Kyiv. Russia’s defence ministry made the assertion on Tuesday after an overnight air attack on the Ukrainian capital. Two US officials later said a Patriot system had probably suffered damage but that it did not appear to have been destroyed. “I want to say: do not worry about the fate of the Patriot,” Ukrainian air force spokesperson Yuriy Ihnat told Ukrainian television. He ruled out the possibility of a Russian “Kinzhal” missile knocking out a Patriot system.
The Guardian.
First, as stated last evening, it’s entirely possible that one of the Patriot systems was damaged in the aerial onslaught due to an enemy weapon. It’s also worth remembering that just like any missile system, Patriot interceptors fail, and sometimes they do so right after launch in spectacular fashion. These failures can even damage parts of the battery itself, although that is rare. And sometimes such a failure can look like the battery was hit by the enemy. So claims of a Patriot site being struck due to a flash seen in a video or some other single piece of vague evidence is not worth a hard conclusion. On a very active and dynamic battlefield, things explode and sometimes it’s not caused by enemy munitions and sometimes it is.
The Drive.

The US officials are wrong, because Ukraine made an official statement and their Patriot are magic and they cannot be destroyed.


("a flash seen in a video or some other single piece of vague evidence", unless it is coming from Ukraine, then it is the absolute truth).
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Many, many a year ago...

I read, when Israel was using Patriot, that, instead of using them, they should just pay the $1.000.000 (then) of each missile to compensate the victims...
Now, they are like $5 millions, $160 millions last night. Whoever is making the missiles, won.
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Another explosion reported in Luhansk one day after missile strikes, Russian-backed officials say.
An explosion was heard Saturday morning in the suburbs of the eastern city of Luhansk, which is occupied by Russian forces and is a significant hub for Moscow's invasion, one day after the city was struck by two missiles.
CNN.

Ukraine attacking a city?
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At Iceland Summit, European Leaders Announce System to Track Ukraine Damage
by Molly Quell
May 17, 2023

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REYKJAVIK, Iceland (Courthouse News) — Leaders from across Europe traveled to Iceland this week for the first Council of Europe summit in nearly two decades, where they announced a new system to record the damage inflicted on Ukraine by Russia.

The post-World War II human rights organization decided to hold a meeting following Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine last year, looking to strengthen ties across it’s 46 members and look for concrete ways to support accountability for victims.

“We are not gathered here in peace, but under the cloud of war,” Katrín Jakobsdóttir, the Icelandic prime minister, said in her opening speech. Her country currently holds the presidency of the Council of Europe, a rotating position.

Ahead of the summit, the organization announced a number of measures to help war-ravaged Ukraine. The group is backing an international tribunal for the war and, more tangibly, plans to establish a register of damages, where Ukrainians can log the destruction they have experienced in the hope they may get eventually see some financial reimbursement.

The aim of the register is to allow victims to submit their claims for damages, not only for destroyed property but also for injuries or even the death of family members. The Council of Europe intends for that information to be used later to compensate the millions of Ukrainians who have suffered under the conflict.

Read more here: https://www.courthousenews.com/at-icel ... -damage/
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G7 Concludes with Pledge of Support to Ukraine
May 21, 2023

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(The National) The G7 bloc of rich democracies pledged on Sunday its continued support for Ukraine, as the three-day summit concluded in the Japanese city of Hiroshima.

The group sounded a warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who claimed to have taken the strategic city of Bakhmut.

Russia "will not break" the resolve of Ukraine's allies, US President Joe Biden said, after speaking with his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the summit.

"Together with the entire G7 we have Ukraine's back and I promise we're not going anywhere," Mr Biden said.

The US President said he had assured Mr Zelenskyy that Washington and other backers of Kyiv "will not waver, Putin will not break our resolve as he thought he could".

The article also discusses the situation in Bakhmut.

Read more here: https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/ ... bakhmut/

caltrek's comment: Brave talk, we will see if the G7 can continue their current level of support. How well pro-Ukraine parties do in elections will be critical.
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Zelenskyy Insists 'Bakhmut Holds' After Reports Russia Has Taken Control
by Thomas Harding
May 21, 2023

Introduction:
(The National) The besieged city of Bakhmut remains in Ukraine’s possession the country’s President has insisted, despite claims that it has been taken by Russia.

After appearing to concede the battle-ravaged city had fallen early on Sunday, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy later told a press conference at the G7 in Japan that Bakhmut “is not occupied by Russia”.

“There are no two or three interpretations of those words,” he said, adding that he would not share precise details.

The denials come after Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the Wagner mercenary group, claimed on Saturday that his troops had seized the last remaining Ukraine positions on the western suburbs and posted a picture of himself waving a Russian flag amid its ruins.

The mercenary leader said his troops had taken the last multi-story apartment building in south-western Bakhmut.

Read more here: https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/ ... -control/

caltrek’s comment: In my mind, this opens up the intriguing possibility of a separate settlement with the Wagner mercenary group. Prigozhin has already indicated a deeply felt hostility toward the Kremlin. Perhaps, in exchange for some territorial concession…(?)
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caltrek wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 3:57 pm G7 Concludes with Pledge of Support to Ukraine
May 21, 2023

Introduction:
(The National) The G7 bloc of rich democracies pledged on Sunday its continued support for Ukraine, as the three-day summit concluded in the Japanese city of Hiroshima.

The group sounded a warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who claimed to have taken the strategic city of Bakhmut.

Russia "will not break" the resolve of Ukraine's allies, US President Joe Biden said, after speaking with his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the summit.

"Together with the entire G7 we have Ukraine's back and I promise we're not going anywhere," Mr Biden said.

The US President said he had assured Mr Zelenskyy that Washington and other backers of Kyiv "will not waver, Putin will not break our resolve as he thought he could".

The article also discusses the situation in Bakhmut.

Read more here: https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/ ... bakhmut/

caltrek's comment: Brave talk, we will see if the G7 can continue their current level of support. How well pro-Ukraine parties do in elections will be critical.
Sadly, I agree. This is probably one of the areas Biden might have to move on in order to get a debt ceiling bill passed through congress without fully giving in to the idiots on attacking the poor and disabled. I am hoping europe can support Ukraine and win this war.
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I can't vouch for Trofimov as to whether he is a reliable source, but his comment seems spot on.
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British arms exports doubled during 2022 to a record £8.5bn according to the only publicly available official figures, reflecting escalating geopolitical uncertainties and fallout from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
The largest destination for UK-made weaponry was Qatar, which bought £2.7bn-worth, and 54% went to countries designated as “not free” by the human rights group Freedom House. These include Saudi Arabia and Turkey, as well as Qatar.
The Guardian.

It feels good to help Ukraine. (and freedom and democracy).
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