Unidentified/Phantom Drones & UAPs

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firestar464 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:23 pm https://www.livescience.com/alien-mothe ... l-suggests
Alien mothership lurking in our solar system could be watching us with tiny probes, Pentagon official suggests

A draft paper by a Harvard scientist and the head of the Pentagon’s UFO office has raised the idea an alien mothership could be in the solar system, sending out tiny probes dubbed "dandelion seeds" to explore the planets within.

Could an alien mothership be hovering around the solar system, sending out tiny probes to explore planets? According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible.

In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of “dandelion seeds” — small spacecraft that can gather and send back information, similar to the way humans send out spacecraft to explore planets.
Sounds similar to a probably super old gov program of using any mammals, insects, humans, whatever to spy on people. The entertainment industry build up is far more entertaining than the actual stuff like any military stuff. Best of all this goes into the actual fun sci fi stuff that even if said normally most would not believe it because for some reason even that would seem a bit hard to believe. I imagine if not by accident then it was discovered deliberately with all the time advances in the 20 year segments the public gets so if not before 1980's I would be surprised. Fun stuff! Dang shame on the whole... you know... locked up behind the tightest security you could imagine possible.

On a side note it is a dang shame having to wait and all for some jobs if not finances especially in the crypto casino to be in better situation & overall get back to having fun again that was interrupted in the late 1990s and especially after 2000. I, too, dislike delays though it seems there has been some weirdness just in this sector where I am that is holding things back. It is worrisome so it looks I'll have to wait it out some more :cry:
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Pentagon Now Actively Hunting For UFOs With Purpose-Built Sensors
by Howard Altman
June 1, 2023

Introduction:
(The Drive) Only between 2% and 5% of the 800 cases currently being investigated by the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) “display signatures that could reasonably be described as anomalous,” the head of that office testified during a NASA hearing Wednesday. But while the majority of those cases “demonstrate mundane characteristics of readily explainable sources,” a “large number” of those sightings are “technically unresolved…primarily due to a lack of data associated with those cases,” AARO Director Sean M. Kirkpatrick testified. That's a key reason, he said, why AARO has been developing its own "purpose-built sensors" to detect, track and characterize objects in suspected hot spots.

“Without sufficient data, we are unable to reach defendable conclusions that meet the high scientific standards we set for resolution,” Kirkpatrick said at NASA’s UAP Independent Study Team hearing Wednesday. UAP, or unidentified aerial phenomena, is the new term for UFOs.

To help offset that lack of data, AARO has developed “purpose-built” sensors to investigate key areas and improve the data that can be collected. This represents a more proactive approach than previously understood, creating a dedicated array of sensors to hunt for UAPs as opposed to passively evaluating what has been reported to it and any data that happened to exist from those encounters.

“One of the first things that we're doing is looking across all the existing sensor data against that typical UAP target,” he said.

Pointing to details on a slide he displayed during the hearing, Kirkpatrick explained that those "target characteristics" are based on what has been reported as well as data gleaned from the available sensors.

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This decade is getting weird, man. Some strange shit is afoot.

INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY U.S. HAS RETRIEVED CRAFT OF NON-HUMAN ORIGIN

(The Debrief)
A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.

The information, he says, has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures, reported here for the first time.

Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record.

The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). He served as the reconnaissance office’s representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019-2021. From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the NGA’s co-lead for UAP analysis and its representative to the task force.
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Skeptics and Believers Alike Should Support a Congressional UFO Investigation
by Tyler Rogoway
July 26, 2023

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(The Drive) On the eve of a highly anticipated UFO hearing on Capital Hill, it's worth reflecting on what a wild ride the last six years have been. When it comes to UFOs and the U.S. government, the dam may not have broken, but cracks are now showing in its facade. What sits behind that thick concrete wall remains a mystery — one of the biggest mysteries of them all perhaps. Whether it is all a grand lie — a conspiracy of epic proportions that has misdirected the course of mankind — or just fables mixed in with some puzzling accounts and peculiar sensor data that have run amok, the path forward for skeptics and believers alike should be the same: open hearings, an independent congressional investigation, and legislation that will force this issue into the light.

Why this course should be supported by both sides of the debate about UFOs — or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) as they are now often called — is that in doing so, the incredible claims that are now circulating in the very highest levels of government will either spectacularly fall apart under extreme levels of scrutiny or they will prove to be world-changing. For those that want this issue to be put to bed because they find it outlandish, this should be a very welcome development. For those who think differently, it should also be welcome if they are truly in search of the truth, whatever that may be.

Win, lose, or draw, it's time to move this issue along. The subject has never been a healthy one, but now it has become extremely toxic in virtually every regard and it seems that many in power in Washington are buying into conspiracy theories surrounding it, for better or worse.
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caltrek’s comment: I am one of those skeptical of the claims of conspiracy theorists who supports further investigation. Having said that, I don’t expect it to change much. At least, absent some dramatic and unexpected revelation. The conspiracy theorists will go on spinning their tales, no matter how transparent is the government. Meanwhile, the U.S. military will feel compelled to keep some secrets, especially concerning their weapons program. So, nothing will be completely resolved.
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Cyber_Rebel wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:07 am This decade is getting weird, man. Some strange shit is afoot.

INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY U.S. HAS RETRIEVED CRAFT OF NON-HUMAN ORIGIN
As you probably already suspect, that likely has a different meaning than what most people take it. Non-human doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial.
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Wdym?
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firestar464 wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:06 pmWdym?
Non-human can easily mean monkeys, dogs, etc who were placed on experimental craft that crashed due to technical failures. They're not going to give us straight answers revealing the nature of classified projects. What I'm saying is we need to be open to other plausible explanations. This dude testifying could also be committing perjury or has some agenda. The fact he's a "former" intelligence officer makes it suspect.
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Until I see material evidence I remain skeptical. It doesn’t makes sense that aliens who can travel interstellar distances just clumsily crash their ships onto Earth like a sci fi movie. Maybe a probe that’s decommissioned they would consider junk? Even then it’s a stretch, no way a manned craft has crashed though.
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raklian wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:57 pm
Cyber_Rebel wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:07 am This decade is getting weird, man. Some strange shit is afoot.

INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY U.S. HAS RETRIEVED CRAFT OF NON-HUMAN ORIGIN
As you probably already suspect, that likely has a different meaning than what most people take it. Non-human doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial.
Here is some more background related to that headline:

Whistleblower: Feds Recovered ‘Non-human’ Biological Material from UFO Crash Site
by Benjamin Weiss
July 26, 2023

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WASHINGTON (Courthouse News) — A much-anticipated congressional hearing on unidentified anomalous phenomena reached a crescendo Wednesday morning as a government whistleblower made bombastic claims that the Department of Defense has not only recovered extraterrestrial craft from crash sites but also possesses non-human biological material.

Former intelligence official David Grusch made the claims during a blockbuster hearing of the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability. Testifying under oath, the former team lead at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency said that he had conducted interviews with around 40 witnesses which “absolutely” led him to believe that the government is in possession of non-human craft.

While working at the Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the military’s satellite and mapping authority, Grusch oversaw the bureau’s program analyzing unidentified anomalous phenomena — otherwise known as unidentified flying objects or UFOs. During the course of his work, which afforded him top-level security clearance, Grusch testified that he was made aware of what he called a “multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program.”
Further extract:
The Pentagon has denied Grusch’s claims. A spokesperson for the Defense Department did not immediately return a request for comment, but the Pentagon told The Associated Press that federal investigators have not unearthed “any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently.”

Interest in UAPs has grown in recent years. A report published by the U.S. intelligence community in 2021 turned up no evidence that unexplained craft spotted by military pilots had extraterrestrial origins, but did not deny that such a link could exist.
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raklian wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:57 pm As you probably already suspect, that likely has a different meaning than what most people take it. Non-human doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial.
That could be a logical assessment, so the idea that some secret unclassified drone/pilot program is utilizing animals to potentially test new forms of propulsion before humans can isn't lost on me. Conversely, they could also be utilizing that terminology in the same sense which UAP replaced UFO.

We really couldn't know for certain unless we knew the nature of the so called "non-human biologicals" in question. However, Like I said in the Chat, one thing is that Grusch's general demeanor really didn't come off as "convincing," it seemed almost staged, or perhaps I just didn't like the cut of his jib or something.

Describing what's quite literally a Borg ship also didn't help either. Still, he is just one person, and doesn't account for the actual accounts people may genuinely have experienced.
erowind wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:16 pm Maybe a probe that’s decommissioned they would consider junk? Even then it’s a stretch, no way a manned craft has crashed though.
JMG does a much better job explaining this than I could: Around 16:00



Basically, it's something we ourselves do quite a lot with our own space junk, which includes even our most advanced instruments. If these hypothetical systems were automated, they may continue perpetually even if said alien civilization no longer exists. Doesn't explain so called recovered biological entities, but we don't know the nature of what that could be.

To answer what you said about the Dark Forest on Chat, I agree that it is very hyperbolic in its presentation, but I think that's meant to be the point of the work in question or 3 Body Problem. We honestly should tread carefully when it comes to beings which could be many times more advanced than ourselves to be unknowable. Like you, I'd prefer a Federation style first contact, but such is not a guarantee, assuming it even happens at all. Starfleet does have a prime directive, so maybe there exist some real-world equivalent.

I'd like to think if there is anything to this at all, we are to them a scientific curiosity to be studied. If we were that advanced, and we stumbled across a more primitive society in the midst of its many problems, would we truly intervene when contact could have unknown consequences on the development of that society? Especially when one considers just how "well" intervention has played out in our own history.
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